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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 16 2013 19:52 GMT
#1861
Artanis, your turn again, if you're down to keep going.

supersoft, how do you feel about me, or me getting votes?
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 19:52 GMT
#1862
Then your lack of interest in trying to figure out a possible fake tracker claim is quite amusing to me.

You realize if he's town then actual town trackers would claim in thread, right?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 16 2013 19:53 GMT
#1863
hm okay, now let's talk serious business here. I think i figured BHs claim out:

On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:
On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:
The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this:

On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^

Obviously a claim.
Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at.

I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today.

Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect?
I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor.

Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target.

If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think?


Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia.

What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia.

Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment.


Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz.

Read his filter in Hogwarts.

A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia.


I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes.

Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum
Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum
Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh

so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it.


if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position.
Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 16 2013 19:54 GMT
#1864
BH is a bad d1 lynch anyway. He will continue trolling if he's scum or he'll step up/get shot.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 16 2013 19:54 GMT
#1865
On November 17 2013 04:53 supersoft wrote:
hm okay, now let's talk serious business here. I think i figured BHs claim out:

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:
On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:
The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this:

On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^

Obviously a claim.
Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at.

I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today.

Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect?
I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor.

Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target.

If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think?


Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia.

What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia.

Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment.


Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz.

Read his filter in Hogwarts.

A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia.


I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes.

Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum
Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum
Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh

so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it.


if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position.
Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours?


why*
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 19:56 GMT
#1866
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#1867
Alright you guys now that Yamato can tunnel too long.

VE is okay but he's not the best.
Supersoft can come off as brash but he's also town(anyone disagree, please tell why) and a far better analyzer. I'm masoned with him and think this would be best weapon against scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 16 2013 20:00 GMT
#1868
On November 17 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Blazinghand who would you execute if you were mayor?

On November 17 2013 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
2 Questions for the Pelican

What did you disagree with from Artanis' Moctsa case.
Would you consider voting the man with the blazing hands?

Rayn you are pretty obviously lying about not believing BH's claim considering you had the exact same thought process as me.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 20:01 GMT
#1869
Grack vote supersoft with me
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 16 2013 20:02 GMT
#1870
On November 17 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote:
Grack vote supersoft with me

Isn't he killing Mig?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 16 2013 20:03 GMT
#1871
On November 17 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote:
Alright you guys now that Yamato can tunnel too long.

VE is okay but he's not the best.
Supersoft can come off as brash but he's also town(anyone disagree, please tell why) and a far better analyzer. I'm masoned with him and think this would be best weapon against scum.


He comes off as heavily sarcastic and egotistical, not exactly some one I would want to hold any power. I also do not see the analysis you are speaking of.
I come in for the scraps
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 20:04 GMT
#1872
Yes Mig is suspicious. Note in our last game he was asking questions as well but he was also targeting people and posting opinions. This is just questions. So it's his playstyle without good intentions of that playstyle=scum replicating past playstyle.

I don't like how he's not making strong opinions like he did in the past game where he went after people and helped along with me and you lead town to victory.

Also he shared his notes
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 16 2013 20:04 GMT
#1873
Vayne's just jealous that his trolling didn't get a shout out from Supersoft.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 20:05 GMT
#1874
Yeah he's a dick but he's a smart dick. I didn't want to vote for him for that reason for a long time. But if you think he's town, I've masoned with him and he has a good grasp on the game although I don't think he agrees with me that one of BH/Rayn is scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 16 2013 20:07 GMT
#1875
On November 17 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote:
Yes Mig is suspicious. Note in our last game he was asking questions as well but he was also targeting people and posting opinions. This is just questions. So it's his playstyle without good intentions of that playstyle=scum replicating past playstyle.

I don't like how he's not making strong opinions like he did in the past game where he went after people and helped along with me and you lead town to victory.

Also he shared his notes

Mig's notes also insulted like several people, including Supersoft, and would be pretty dumb to post as mafia. He's also on board with a Mocsta lynch and Mocsta is like the scummiest in thread.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 16 2013 20:07 GMT
#1876
it's actually quite the opposite of trolling my friend, there is purpose

and I do not think supersoft is town right now, need to see some flips though to discern his alignment fully
I come in for the scraps
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 16 2013 20:08 GMT
#1877
On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first


Someone from this group probably:

Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me.
mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1.

it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum.
If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot.

But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 20:08 GMT
#1878
Mocsta is making awful cases but he does that all the time as town. In fact the effort he's putting into his dumb cases (hunt for vs hunt scum) really make me think he's town. Are you expecting good analysis out of him? He's putting effort into it.

Furthermore even if he is scum, if mig was scum it's very likely that he would at least bus one of his teammates whos unlikely to get lynched aka mocsta.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 16 2013 20:09 GMT
#1879
super, can you explain (2) here?

On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote:
@Supersoft, - 2 questions
(1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead?
+
(2) What do you think of Hopeless1der?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1der

I am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make.
On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run?

Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE.

BTW, which occurs here:
On November 15 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote:
On November 15 2013 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Any campaign for kush gets a solid "yeah, no" from me. No offense to kush but I did kind of tell yamato i wanted to win.


kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique

*must...not...feeed....troll*

##Vote: VisceraEyes


My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor.
Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate.
You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der?


(1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0.

(2) got to think about this.
Fe fi fo fum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 16 2013 20:09 GMT
#1880
On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first


Someone from this group probably:

Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me.
mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread***, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1.

it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum.
If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot.

But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC.


***scumread obviously.
He's like my strongest scumread by far.
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