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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: You and BH arent included in SUPERVETS? Also Marv 100% randoms his setups. I don't think so, besides I'm confirmed town from Mocsta's flip. Marv 100% doesn't random his setups. I'm very certain of that. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now that's WIFOM, i do not think BH "must be town because scumteam balance". I'm not saying BH can't be scum, I'm saying I don't think he's the supervet scum. He could very well be scum with one of BC/Mig/VE. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Any opinions on Thrawn? | ||
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Stutters, where are you? I don't remember you being this inactive in previous games  | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely. I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so. I don't think that's a reliable method you used because I had just read the OP a bit before you asked it and my gut reaction would've been similar to Koshi's. The human mind responds irrationally to threatening situations, and I wouldn't find it hard to imagine him responding the same way as scum. I don't think Koshi actually thinks Grack is scum right now, just that a Grack scumteam would include you, unless I'm miscontruing his post. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah because you are town. Scum tend to be careful about their answers, especailly Koshi. I know this for a fact. Koshi doesn't strike me as a careful poster. Do you remember a scumgame of his where you felt this was the case? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote: Hey hey hey. I am right here. Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy? imo it is pretty good. One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis i will now explain this in detail. If Koshi was scum he would know i am town. He would also be aware there are no cops, framers or millers because his scumteam has no framers 100%. I ask him a weird question. He also knows me pretty well. He would therefore know there is something i am trying to achieve with my question. What is rayn after? What's he trying to accoplish with this? What the fuck do i need to answer. Therefore - as scum - he would most likely give an answer that can't go wrong with, which would be "lol rayn there are not cops in this game". Fair enough, I believe you. Tried digging into the thread but 850 post scum QT = nothx. I'll take your word for it. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote: Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred? Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town. I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote: gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done. there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read. So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts. Okay, you can start as part of "other people". I'll sit back and enjoy my popcorn. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:38 LoneMeow wrote: Why is Coagulation even slightly town when he's done pretty much nothing at all the entire game? Because when he's scum he does literally nothing. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also 2/3 of these people know the truth. They also know it outs scum if they out this in thread. Therefore 2/3 of them has to be scum and BH has to be one of them because he is 100% one of the liars. The problem is that you're operating from a presumption that these are all the masons there are in the game. What if there are more? | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:45 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn....you know that spiderman cancer meme? Yeah, that. Could you please confirm yourself as town instead of doing this? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 19 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis, could you read my case on HF and tell me what do you think about it. Like really read. Because all the people misread the risen-accusation on D1 and i kinda did not give a shit to explain it better. I've re-evaluated HF a few times and I can't shake my town read on him. I went into it when Austin asked me about it. You can read that bit if you want. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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+ Show Spoiler [HF] + On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've given my thoughts on Holyflare before as per your request. To give you a bit more substance, I'll go into it a bit deeper. He started his mayoral election a little bit into Day 1 and got some flak for it from Pandain and Yamato, but it doesn't really phase him. After that, he opens up the offensive on Rayn which ended up producing pretty much the longest shitflinging this thread has seen. However, his initial reasons were sound and ones I shared. His comment of ignoring Risen sparked my interest as well, and he didn't tunnel him. The same post that accuses Rayn also includes a read on Hopeless. In the middle there's some trolly posts, which although seemingly insignificant indicate he's fooling around and enjoying himself. He's feeling comfortable and seems to be trying to figure the game out. Accuses Matt, and later continues on Rayn. This post in particular I actually find telling for his alignment. Scum knows that the people they're accusing are actually town, but HF sees an opportunity to bring up his suspect and wants to claim credit for it. He's happy to have it scrutinized. He wants to talk about his case. As the game goes on, his read on Rayn changes around the same time mine does. As scum, emulating a town mindset is one of the toughest things there is. The fact that his thoughts regarding Rayn emulated mine so strongly makes it difficult for me to think he's scum. His comments started all focussing around defending himself from Rayn, in contrast to his earlier game where he participated in a lot of discussions. He feels attacked and it's stifling his game. He's not comfortable under the pressure, which is one thing that has me worried. You could explain it as feeling forced to defend yourself, or it's scum that feels cornered. On its own, I would consider it a mildly scummy thing to go into defensive mode, but considering the rest of the factors I feel town on HF. I'd feel much better once he starts giving original thoughts on other players, though. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mig: I think hopeless wanted to say scum instead of town. ^^ Artanis: Holyflare is really contributive and can appear as town as scum too. He did really good job in Hogwarts as looking like town before he made a bad claim and syllogism caught him for it. Even then he survived for some phases because his posting was really good. He is a good scumplayer i think and "tone" and "i think he would not say this as scum" reasons do not make him town. I do not see anything that explicitly makes him scum though. I've read your original case and I don't think it's strong enough when looking at the overall picture. His read on you and Mocsta mirrored mine too much for me to consider him anything than a town read right now. If he's scum, there's plenty of days worth of material still to come. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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1) If HF is as good as you say he is, I doubt intentionally misrepresenting your case after you've clarified it is something a scum HF would do. It seems more like the arguing of a frustrated HF trying to explain what went down and missing some of the details, which I'd consider more town than scum. I don't think he intentionally messed this up regardless of his alignment. 2) I was planning on making a big campaign too, but he realized it was pointless when some veterans started throwing their weight around. He got engaged in the thread. He tried to convince people you were scum, and has attacked BC, Mattchew, Hopeless, and Grack in his filter. Perhaps he hasn't pushed them as strongly as you would've liked, but there are plenty of people who haven't tried convincing others. 3) My read changed at similar times as his did. I had the same reasons, but they dissipated as I saw the change in your quality of posting. In fact, how he changed his read on you makes me feel more townie on him than before. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: My point on (1) is Holyflare is twisting my words and banking on other people not understanding what he is doing. This does not correspond with considering him a good player, or you presume that he doesn't think you're a good player. It seems suicidal for scum to do something like this. | ||
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