EPTOn November 16 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote:
Koshi, are you around?
Koshi, are you around?
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On November 16 2013 10:17 austinmcc wrote: I was going to ask you about rayn/Vayne, after ... whatever that recent game we were all in was. Double Cop Sandwich mafia. But I know you've written a decent bit about rayn. Could you talk a little more here?I like the point, and I get what you're saying, but is this just a gut feeling that he's talking about you but not with you? Or is this a specific thing that you have picked on in past scum games of his, a scumrayn indicator? Also, you sort of maybe half-jokingly called vayne scum for pointing out you and rayn fighting. But...I put less than zero credence in that point you mentioned. Do you have any actual thoughts on vayne's play so far this game? It comes down to this. He gave me a slight townread early on and then out of nowhere he goes "Koshi why are you playing so weird" after I made a case on supersoft I think. While we love to scumhunt together and he went from town to scum on me without even trying to talk to me and check me out. I am pretty sure that the easiest way for him to read me is to interact with me. But he refuses to do it except a bit earlier in which he calls me scum... Nha, rayn is scum for me. Vayne tried to be cute so I was cute as well. | ||
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VE is rayn on your lynch list? | ||
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Can you explain to me how you are approaching this game? How are you trying to lynch scum? | ||
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Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads. Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case. Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily. (PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter) Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him. supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though. Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes. _________ What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't. The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that. Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum. | ||
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He doesn't deserve it. But it's BH. But if rayn proves to be town, BH good target. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am correct and i am amused by the fact that noone other than BC has commented on the best case there is. You agree his case on HoleFlare is the best case there is? Is it even close to rayn level? Who will lynch rayn? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:23 yamato77 wrote: On Rayn: LM mentioned this in mason chat and asked me what I thought. Multiple times this game, Rayn has given out townreads on a whim, which some people have attacked him for. While you may not agree with his logic, I don't think mafia Rayn would just hand these out like candy, because he can't renegee on them later without catching flak for it. He's been consistent about his pressure on HF this game, perhaps to the point of tunneling. While mafia Rayn can defintiely tunnel, I think he's been rather reasonable about it despite his many posts, and it makes me question how I read holyflare. This is also a small town tell, worth noting anyway. I don't think Rayn is a good lynch at all. I actually am on his side in the HF/Rayn debate. 1) Sure he can trow out towntells without reasoning. As if he can't come back from it when he writes a good case. 2) On November 04 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you if you lynch me today. i refuse to get lynched because i am town. On November 04 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster marv why are you doing this? why are you stalling the discussion because you think i might be scum for some non-existent evidence when there is acutally evidence that points out people being scum? don't do this plz if you are town, i don't like it. if you are just OMGUSing me because i called you scum for reasons similar to yours (weak - i admit - but i think or at least thought i was right) stop it. i am willing to look the game objectively and reconsider. why are you not? you are better regarding that than i am, usually, why not now? stop the tunnel, stop being mad at me and play the game, find scum. please, if you are town, please. because i really hate myself if i get lynched as town. PS: He was scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:28 yamato77 wrote: Using that post as justification for a scum read on Rayn. What? Why would you say that is the only thing. That's 1 reason out of the 156751 why I have a scum read on rayn. And it is a good reason. | ||
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Is there a chance that you will lynch rayn? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote: Koshi, instead of arguing with me over why I think Rayn is townish, have you posted anything on why you think he's mafia? It would be more productive. Why isn't this good? And rayn giving away 3 townreads is so null... + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Rayn Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads. Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case. Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily. (PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter) Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him. supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though. Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes. _________ What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't. The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that. Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum. | ||
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Well I am sad. %wise I am certain he is the best choice. I think he rolled scum and his plan is to play a passive game and see how far he can ride it. Maybe get more involved when he gets interested. Ah ffs... | ||
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##vote: Koshi I don't support your reads. Skanj4b: nha Pandain: nha just isn't playing hiro protagonist: Did nothing at all so nha. Grack: Disappeared. also nha. Not today. Oatsmaster: where is the case? Why? | ||
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