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On November 16 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
I misunderstood what you implied by saying you were ignoring him and thus it looked suspicious so I had a scum read on you, you then explain the risen points further and move onto other people, something i equivocate to town rayn and so my read on you becomes unscummy? I'm not understanding you or vice versa if this isn't getting through. Okay, so why did you then bringthe issue up in 100 words when i had explained myself already?
Because i called you scummy and a few others, namely mocsta, risen, artanis etc were on that sentiment. I outlined my thought process to the thread to show that over time my read on you has actually changed because i actually have analysed your games to see your playstyles. Your few posts recently are very world championshipesque though.
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Jesus christ how long are you going to waste on me? You say 100 words is long but you've wasted pages on a bad read and have tunneled like crazy.
If the thread sentiment is that you have posted scummy things but my meta analysis and game play analysis has changed on you to say that you are no longer scummy then it is something the thread should know. This game is all about eliminating scum which you can do in 2 ways. Finding inconsistencies and finding town. If i think you are therefore displaying townlike rayn posting at that point in time then I will do my best to update people on that. It's hpw we win this game.
Your point 1 has already been addressed. If i misunderstood your ignoring rayn for a town read then it looked like you flat out changed your read on him because of pressure. This is, however, not the case. Other people extrapolated the same information I did.
Your point 2 is so irrelevant, I've never played a mayor game and I thought it would be fun to take part. I indicated not to vote me until we have solid reads and you think i am town however, points that you seemingly ignored but then said we should be doing anyway.
I'm not indulging this anymore.
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On November 16 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's pretty bad defense Holyflare.
Well quite frankly it's not.
@BC, right now based on points i brought up on hopeless i think we'd hit a scum. However a lurker is a lurker is a lurker for now. This is a similar stance for mattchew too.
Although I haven't said much about other reads now because of this rayn thing which is annoying, much has gone on. I think grack has been overly defensive (from what I've said) on people that he shouldn't have been. He criticised people for throwing out free town reads after he had clearly done so himself. I do not agree with the people that say he is easy lynch bait because that argument can be thrown at anyone day 1. His style is inconsistent from what I've seen when I played with him in hogwarts where he was carefree (something it looks like he "tried" to emulate in this game).
Mocsta is another one that has popped up in my mind. His entrance on storr was very lackluster l, I'll need to filter him to see the rest of his posts but from what i remember it was inconsistent with what he was saying. He was on grack for a while (maybe im miss remembering?) yet criticised yamato for focusing on one player.
I'll update with some more content and facts at my pc.
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I said you were showing town rayn traits?
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On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!! he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? there's not much to base it off of honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over
I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.
As far as this little gem that I've seen:
On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are.
Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you?
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On November 16 2013 14:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
something that immediately jumps out to me in your notes as a "townslip" would be that you have lonemeow as town just because he claimed mason. There are scum masons in this game. I feel like you would know this if you are scum.
His pandain entry: "claimed mason/liked his initial thoughts but putting in very little effort now/weird claim but said it confirmed him as town even tho there are mafia masons. Seems like town thought process not knowing there are mafia masons."
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I actually agree with most of your reds though which is a positive thing to note. I would add mattchew to the red though, he is playing totally different to his town play that I saw in hogwarts mafia.
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@risen + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 15:06 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!! he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? there's not much to base it off of honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again. As far as this little gem that I've seen: On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you? Hmm, HF why are you misconstruing my post? I was referring to a single BH post there. It phased yamato, didn't phase me. Why are you indirectly defending yamato here? Do you know he's town? Are you scum?
Well I read through the thread and then through your filter and didn't realise you posted this before BH remained useless. Even so, have your thoughts on him devoloped since then? What I said still applies, a useless BH will always remain a useless BH. I'm just waiting tentatively for him to be the next target and then claim a role that must make us "save" him just like hogwarts (he was scum).
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@Onegu + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 01:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!! he wants to know what I think about rayn i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions? there's not much to base it off of honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again. As far as this little gem that I've seen: On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote:On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you? Im going to address two things here first my take on LM and second HF take on LM and his condridiction of his own words. First you say LM has contributed jackshit, and while this is true it is not alignment indicative of LM, he lurks and doesnt do much as either alignment. Second you say what he did in hogwarts scum qt, so why in this game do you think he wouldnt do the same thing? Or do you think he did the same thing and his scummates told him to mason yamato one of the better scumhunters on the site? Also LM doesnt say he rng, he picked a person without haveing a read on them so he picked someone he knew, this is all townie things to do. HF how can you call LM scummy for this, but in your own post say LM asks his scummates what he should do with his powers. The only way I could even slightly see this as being from a scum LM, is if LM and Yamato are scum together and this is a play for towncred. But this is very unlikely. And from your post I dont think that is how you see this. You are just trying to make LM look bad.
I think you have misunderstood what I was saying with the entirety of my LM posts. I am not calling him scummy and I am not calling him town, he is a big fat null read. The sentiment on the thread, especially being repeated by yamato over and over again when people bring up LM's name was that he was town purely because of the way he had masoned. This was making me sick because that flat out rules out the alternative - the stuff that he did last game.
People may not have seen hogwarts and don't know what happened and thus blindly accepted what yamato says as logical and probably truthful when in actual fact what I said can also apply and thusly LM should not be a town read to ANYONE at all.
You have misconstrued and misread many of the things I have said all game, which I will be happy to detail my thought process on if you need me to. In regards to mattchew, I'm not sure you did read my filter properly. I was scouring through the game - rereading like I said - and his posts struck me as non-mattchewesque. So I dug a little deeper and made a case on him. As his database games are older ones I therefore asked if anyone knows how he plays scum, and questioned people that were present at the time of that post. I still think he is scummy disregarding any meta at all but he is also a lurker and therefore my attention to him became wasted and so I ended the discussion till he returned - which he actively did not.
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Sorry had this lying here for ages, I am caught up though and i'm comfortable with VE being mayor or maybe even pardoner for now. Even if his targets are all lurkers I feel he will be more useful later in the game too and deserves the vest. Yamato I am not so sure about as pardoner though, I'd be more comfortable with someone else there until I re-read over his posts. I got the feel he was too brash about some of his town reads.
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That was from a long time ago by the way so you can ignore it theoretically because it's aimed specifically for those 2. As far as the rest of the game goes, what's the vote count at?
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On November 17 2013 07:08 Pandain wrote:
Holy are you aware VE no longer wants to be mayor and supports supersoft?
I do not mind who gets mayor between SS and VE because I feel both of them will listen to what everyone is saying and both have relatively good town reads from me. Not to mention the vest would be on the 2 people I think would be likely targets to be shot tonight. VE has shit targets though so I guess I would prefer him as pardoner. SS doesn't have too great choices but as he just stated he wants to listen to thread sentiment and cases.
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On November 17 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i do. He has done nothing to make me think otherwise.
That's what happens when you yell at a guy all convinced and don't ask questions.
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On November 17 2013 07:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote:On November 17 2013 07:08 Pandain wrote:
Holy are you aware VE no longer wants to be mayor and supports supersoft? I do not mind who gets mayor between SS and VE because I feel both of them will listen to what everyone is saying and both have relatively good town reads from me. Not to mention the vest would be on the 2 people I think would be likely targets to be shot tonight. VE has shit targets though so I guess I would prefer him as pardoner. SS doesn't have too great choices but as he just stated he wants to listen to thread sentiment and cases. What I'm saying is that you should vote SS if you're between VE and SS because VE wants SS to be mayor instead and has indeed backed out.
I specifically want those 2 in the roles so if SS is a shoe in I'd vote VE to get pardoner etc etc. I have voted SS for now until I get an updated vote count because I'm too lazy to add it all up.
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On November 18 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum. And I feel I am playing this game better than witchcraft, which is why I feel people who have played with me often should have scum reads on me lol.
You have contributed 1000% more than hogwarts and your posts have been supporting a train of thought that I can see. Totally different yes, scummy, no.
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Hey rayn, I do not care what you think. I've made cases on people but they ended up not turning up. That is not my fault. SS DID listen to people so I don't know why you are chatting so much shit, I would have prefered him to be mayor becuase at the time I was around he was asking people about reads and making his mind up on who to lynch and that is why I voted him.
Your style of play is not one of scum hunting but one of doing whatever the hell you want. It's really really irritating. If you dislike something somebody does, ask them why they did it and then formulate a read. Don't pick someone and confirmation bias your way into it without discussing it first.
I made a case to be mayor but by the days end I did not think I had a solid foundation to be in the slot and thanks to your pushing I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people.
As far as cases come I plan to post in the resolution period.
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On November 18 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +
I made a case to be mayor but by the days end I did not think I had a solid foundation to be in the slot and thanks to your pushing I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people.
So you just wanted the vest? That's why you ran for mayor? That's not what your campaign said.
LOL I'm not sure how you extrapolated what you just said from what I wrote but that is a perfect example of your confirmation bias. Thank you.
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Get off your high horse. Nobody agreed with anything your case said bar 1 point which I fully explained. People saw my reasoning for it but you still can't accept that you may have been wrong. If cases don't come in the resolution period, you can then have a reason to lynch me. It's pretty simple.
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My formulated reads based on points that I thought were good, based on meta that was correct ended up being on 2 people that never returned. After your whole bs case nobody was going to vote for me anyway so it wouldn't really matter what I think, you've planted some form of doubt in people's minds. SS/VE and yamato were vets that were looking quite towny and as can be seen had almost every vote in the game, I wasn't going to compete with that with limited reads on people. I voted SS because he was discussing with people what he thought when I came back to the thread. Mocsta's name was brought up and he was someone I could agree with lynching. Should I have made a case when a case was already made? No thanks.
The vest is the main part of pardoner because the power is fundamentally anti-town. It should most definitely be on someone likely to get shot. If i'm not likely, why should I step up my game to take that role from somebody who is?
Either way. Proper cases coming in resolution period.
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On November 18 2013 03:03 Onegu wrote:
Koshi you dont think rayn actually believes HF is scum, like some of rayns points arent the best but I really think he thinks he found scum. And Im not the biggest fan of HF either but that is besides the point.
Did you read what I wrote to you earlier by the way?
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huuuuuuh......? Onegu, let me just give you some food for thought re:rayn because your analysis of him isn't necessarily correct.
Here is his WHC mafia filter he's doing the exact same thing he did in that game. Tunneling onto me and not being entirely coherent on his cases. People didn't think they made sense, just like now. I was town, he was scum in that game.
What do you think now? I want to hear the reasons of your thinking rather than opinions.
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On November 18 2013 03:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 03:08 Holyflare wrote:huuuuuuh......? Onegu, let me just give you some food for thought re:rayn because your analysis of him isn't necessarily correct. Here is his WHC mafia filter he's doing the exact same thing he did in that game. Tunneling onto me and not being entirely coherent on his cases. People didn't think they made sense, just like now. I was town, he was scum in that game. What do you think now? I want to hear the reasons of your thinking rather than opinions. Nah thats different imo, first in that game he makes the case on you, people question him on it and he defends it lightly not pushing it much and then unvotes you saying he might be wrong.
So then, if I were to say, agree with you that that is how rayn plays town. The difference in his pushes, can you see why I'd get a then town read on rayn earlier? Seeing as this is one of rayn's main points in his case is that not up to you to correct him? Why have you let him continue with it if you are agreeing with what I said?
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