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Austinmcc,
I like the method you use to garner reads in asking specific questions to players, asking others to take looks at things you found interesting and seeing if they come to the same conclusions. However, it doesn't give any information regarding your alignment. I believe you're able to do this as both town and scum. What bothers me is the lack of conclusions in your resume. In your opening statements, you question Rayn, Risen, and Sharrant. Later, you question Onegu and Koshi, and ask StorrZerg a few rhetorical questions. Then you start pressuring BC a bit but it doesn't really go anywhere. You never make yourself a strong town presence when you clearly have the wit to do so, and have put in enough time to know what you're speaking of. It feels like you're being more of a thread coach than an actual presence yourself, which is a position more favourable to scum than to town as you can duck responsibility, so I had you as a minor scum read until now. Engaging in this back and forth does help as I feel it helps give me more insight into your personal thoughts on players, but I can't help but wonder if your involvement in it isn't triggered by realizing that there is town sentiment that's swaying against you and that you need to be less lazy. I'm fairly null on your position, with a slight lean towards scumminess right now.
My return question is: Why did you ask me to give my thoughts on you? Did you want to analyze my thought process, or give yourself an opportunity to rectify whatever people might see scummy in you, or is it something different?
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On November 17 2013 11:24 Pandain wrote:Stutters/Vayne*/BH/ are my reads. Vayne with an asterisk because I'm always wrong about him lolz. Re-read Rayn way less confident but can't really back down I'm too invested. + Show Spoiler + just kidding only somewhat suspicious actually I'm going to ignore rayn for now so if you're scum congratz I think one of the two masons that VE is talking about *might* be scum. I think two of OOHChild/Oats/Mattchew/Coag scum. That's my new pandain guess
What do you find suspicious about Stutters? He just hasn't been there. Also, why do you find him more suspicious than someone like the Cheesecake?
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Alakaslam, do you have any reads? I don't think I've heard your onion on any of the scumspects.
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I can't make sense of the thread right now.
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Rayn, HF, please stop shitting up the thread. Neither of you are convincing anyone in this fashion and you're not saying anything new.
Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow?
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On November 18 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, HF, please stop shitting up the thread. Neither of you are convincing anyone in this fashion and you're not saying anything new.
Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow? No Mocsta is most likely town.
What does town mocsta do that scum mocsta doesn't in your experience that makes you say that?
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On November 18 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis instead of telling people to shut up can you read my case on HF and comment on it?
If I comment on it will you stop arguing with HF?
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On November 18 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 04:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, HF, please stop shitting up the thread. Neither of you are convincing anyone in this fashion and you're not saying anything new.
Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow? No Mocsta is most likely town. What does town mocsta do that scum mocsta doesn't in your experience that makes you say that? I don't know because i have never played with scum!Mocsta but everything he has done town!Mocsta would do.
A scum mocsta is just as out there as this Mocsta has been. The difference is that I don't think a town Mocsta would attack Spaghetti like this without properly reading what he said. He saw an opportunity and went for it rather than actually trying to find scum.
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On November 18 2013 04:29 austinmcc wrote:
Mocsta, have you been scum in any large games?
Austin, would you like to continue our little volleyball game from before? I have some time and I think it'd help both my own reads and my reads on yourself. I'll give you a short one for a warmup in Mig.
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On November 18 2013 04:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 04:29 austinmcc wrote:
Mocsta, have you been scum in any large games? Austin, would you like to continue our little volleyball game from before? I have some time and I think it'd help both my own reads and my reads on yourself. I'll give you a short one for a warmup in Mig.
Oh, and I'm also curious how my read on you affected your read on me and why.
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On November 18 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 04:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, HF, please stop shitting up the thread. Neither of you are convincing anyone in this fashion and you're not saying anything new.
Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow? No Mocsta is most likely town. What does town mocsta do that scum mocsta doesn't in your experience that makes you say that? I don't know because i have never played with scum!Mocsta but everything he has done town!Mocsta would do. A scum mocsta is just as out there as this Mocsta has been. The difference is that I don't think a town Mocsta would attack Spaghetti like this without properly reading what he said. He saw an opportunity and went for it rather than actually trying to find scum. I have no idea where Mocsta attacks him so i don't understand what you are trying to say.
On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:46 Spaghetticus wrote:
Okay thanks guys. That puts it at midday, maybe I'll tell these fools to go buy lunch or something.
I'll still be checking in everynow and then as I write this campaign, but my responses may be short. Spaghetticus I am finding you hard to read. Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread. Have a go at this: You haven't played the game for at least 6 months. VE has been playing for more than 6 months. 1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor. Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect. Why would you try and smear his campaign?Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play.
I would consider this a very clear attack.
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On November 18 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also agree with Mocsta's post. Not that Spag was "shitting up the thread" but other points.
Sure, some of what he says makes sense, but his approach feels so much like a dog who thinks he found a bone to me. Doesn't help that I consider Spaghetti the most townie guy in the thread so far too. Tried to get a read on Lonemeow through him too. The contrast between the two was fairly big as well.
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On November 18 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote:
Artanis, your assignment is holyflare
I've given my thoughts on Holyflare before as per your request.
HolyFlare, I'm more mixed on. I shared his suspicion on Rayn as well as his change in that read and could follow his thought process well, but there have been some good points raised about him, though I can't find them right now. I have a strong feeling he's town based on being able to follow his thought process and I have little interest in seeing him anywhere near the lynching block right now.
To give you a bit more substance, I'll go into it a bit deeper. He started his mayoral election a little bit into Day 1 and got some flak for it from Pandain and Yamato, but it doesn't really phase him. After that, he opens up the offensive on Rayn which ended up producing pretty much the longest shitflinging this thread has seen. However, his initial reasons were sound and ones I shared. His comment of ignoring Risen sparked my interest as well, and he didn't tunnel him. The same post that accuses Rayn also includes a read on Hopeless.
In the middle there's some trolly posts, which although seemingly insignificant indicate he's fooling around and enjoying himself. He's feeling comfortable and seems to be trying to figure the game out. Accuses Matt, and later continues on Rayn. This post in particular I actually find telling for his alignment.
On November 15 2013 22:57 Holyflare wrote:@Mocsta's post/rest of the game (I think artanis said the same things I said about rayn at some point too?) I'm sorry, what, the past few pages have been literal reitterations of what I've already stated, how is this anything new?? I get if you agree with what I've said Here for reference: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: HereYou claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum read S". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1. You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:
I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn. You get modkilled for not voting. :p
What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.
The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.
Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. but to copy it and make it look like your own thoughts and then ask people for their ideas on it is kind of a pain in the arse, at least give credit where credit is due
Scum knows that the people they're accusing are actually town, but HF sees an opportunity to bring up his suspect and wants to claim credit for it. He's happy to have it scrutinized. He wants to talk about his case.
As the game goes on, his read on Rayn changes around the same time mine does. As scum, emulating a town mindset is one of the toughest things there is. The fact that his thoughts regarding Rayn emulated mine so strongly makes it difficult for me to think he's scum. His comments started all focussing around defending himself from Rayn, in contrast to his earlier game where he participated in a lot of discussions. He feels attacked and it's stifling his game. He's not comfortable under the pressure, which is one thing that has me worried. You could explain it as feeling forced to defend yourself, or it's scum that feels cornered. On its own, I would consider it a mildly scummy thing to go into defensive mode, but considering the rest of the factors I feel town on HF. I'd feel much better once he starts giving original thoughts on other players, though.
What do you make of Alakaslam?
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On November 18 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote:
We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow.
LoneMeow I have a confident townread on. He started the game by masoning Yamato. An action I would consider mildly townie to null. Mildly townie in that Yamato is a good player and is verbose, to null because I wouldn't consider him the best player in the game. Nevertheless, the argumentation for it makes sense if he played a previous game with Yamato. He tries to get a read on others by little things such as On November 15 2013 23:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:06 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:01 LoneMeow wrote:On November 15 2013 22:57 Mocsta wrote:
LoneMeow
Is it safe to assume you have caught up on the thread? Yes, I'm caught up now. Anything sticking out to you worth discussing? Do you have an opinion Storrzergs play? I'd like to hear if you think yamato outing me is alignment indicative or not. Something about raynpelikoneet is bothering me, but I can't pin it down on any specific post. I didn't like how strongly he defended me, though. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him.
He asks Mocsta a counter question to get some information out of him rather than just indulging him. The last part of this post is interesting too in that he openly leaves doubt on his read on StorrZerg, but follows it up by asking people for the information he's missing. His reads evolve and he's open about what's happening behind closed doors.
I had a short back and forth with him too, and though it was difficult to get it going I found important information in how he read Spaghetticus that leads me to believe him to be town, in particular the contrast with how Mocsta approached the situation.
On November 17 2013 00:09 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think about Spaghetticus? Before his VE case I'd have said completely null. I haven't fully analyzed the case yet, but just the fact that he's pushing someone most consider town makes him either quite ballsy scum or town, and I'd be tempted to think the latter is more probable (NB: I'm not aware of his meta). What do you think of raynpelikoneet?
His reaction to it seems to come from a town mindset, so I consider him just that.
I don't have time to do another right now, but if you'd like to do one more that'd be fantastic. Your choice, and I'd also like to hear the motivation for your choice.
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Additional to my LoneMeow read: I specifically waited with judgement after Mocsta jumped on Spaghetti when I asked LoneMeow to comment on it to make sure he wasn't steered in the direction of my own read. Despite Mocsta jumping on Spaghetti, LoneMeow didn't take the bait, which is a strong reason for my townie points on him.
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On November 18 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +Let's keep talking about LoneMeow, and other people should also weigh in! I chose him just because of me misconstruing what thrawn wanted last night, and realizing I didn't remember much of what LoneMeow had actually posted, although there may be boatloads in mason chat (yamato, y/n?) I see the counter question, but it's really not much. What's your thought on this odd thing that just happened and involves me? Something wrong with rayn, dunno what. I'm confused on storr, would give him a null or if he's experienced, I'm not sure if I should be leaning scum. To me, there's very little there. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him. If he's new he's null. If he's experienced, I DUNNO whether i SHOULD be leaning scum on him FOR NO REASONS WHATSOEVER. He's wishy washy on whether he should do something for no reason. I actually really dislike that bit. Even if he's asking for information, if you read it that way, what's he DOING with his question? He wants to know whether storr is new or not? So that he can either be null or be unsure whether he should be scummy on storr for unknown reasons? While he does ask for the information later, he doesn't do anything with it. Storr isn't mentioned at all in thread after he wants to know new/not, and we still don't know why new/not actually matters (or, given the SHOULD in his statement, whether new/not DOES matter). He's later compatible with VE for mayor, having never mentioned any of VE's lynch choices (or VE). Skan calls him out on this, and LM gives a very very very bland answer On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates? He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think. That is the white bread of answers. That is skim milk. You poke at him, and he responds that BC's early reads are agreeable, and he's pushing not pro-town players. Which would mean grack, never mentioned at all by LM, and ... storrzerg? Who LM was either null on or maybe should be scummy on, but was unsure. I dunno. I actually really dislike that filter. Yamato, yamato, yamato! You have now been summoned! Do you care to give any insight into mason chat from LM? Is there...stuff there?
I don't think any of the points you've made point towards a scum rather than an inexperienced player that's uncertain and looks for guidance. The fact that he masoned Yamato before starting to chat also shows that uncertainty. If he were on a scumteam, I would imagine he would receive some help from them and sound less uncertain rather than more. A potential WIFOM argument, but I don't consider his reach out for guidance scummy. I think he's just a bit lost. That he mostly asked questions to Yamato compounds that.
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On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.
In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay.
Well, that's kinda ironic.
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On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.
In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay. Well, that's kinda ironic. irrelavent.
Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath?
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On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.
In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay. Well, that's kinda ironic. irrelavent. Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath? I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake.
I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days.
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On November 18 2013 07:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 18 2013 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 18 2013 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake.
In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay. Well, that's kinda ironic. irrelavent. Are you planning on playing at any point or can we stop holding our breath? I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake. I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days. Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful Anyway, probably a lot more lurking.
The initial comment was a snide remark because I'm not a big fan of people using arguments that could be used just as well against them, as it showcases how little they care about the game. The following posts were actually about getting some information regarding your future activity.
Do you have any reads other than mattchew for us?
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