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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 06:56 GMT
#1394
I'm gonna go to bed. I'm willing to change my vote in favor of Vonthin/OWB if people think that's a better lynch. Unfortunately though, Storr's night2 posting is putting me in a situation where i'm stuck in circular logic with multiple points: jonny kill, no mafia RB etc.... the fact that i'm stuck in these loops is one of the reasons I want to kill him so bad, because if it wasn't for his night2 posting I wouldn't be in these loops. I might have to disregard that evidence because of it eventually... we'll see what I think when I wake up...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 06:59 GMT
#1397
That might have flown in my first 2 games if I was town, but I know how easy of a defense that is for mafia. Many of my teammates used it to great success in those games. Just because you're active and trying doesn't mean anything to me.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 07:00 GMT
#1398
On November 05 2013 15:57 StorrZerg wrote:
and not that it helps me...
but we still have blind bat nyxnyxnyx who hasn't done anything since day 2 other than call me scum.


Wouldn't expect anything more from nyx T_T
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 16:50 GMT
#1429
Here is Jonny's logic on OWB/Storr not being a team...

First off, Storr has been pushing OWB a lot throughout this game. But more importantly:

On day1 when Storr put his first vote on July and left it there throughout the entire day... if Storr was mafia and OWB was mafia, when OWB went afk he would have put his vote on July instead of E00...

I'm not completley sold on that analysis, but i'm taking it for now. Reason i'm not sold is tehpoofter's vote was still on E00 as well, maybe bad communication between the 3. Maybe, maybe not.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 16:55 GMT
#1430
I'm not a big fan of your wording in those scenarios Vonthin, I find it weird that you go with the vonthin/storr pair so easily:

why would storr flipping town make you look innocent?

Also... please share when Storr has "always been suspicious of you" cause he certainly didn't show it day2...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#1432
I find it weird... but tbh it's just another circular logic trap so hard to make conclusions.

He could be defending you so that it seems like he is a scumteam with you but actually isn't or he could be defending you cause you are a scumteam.

You could be attacking him so it seems like it isn't a scumteam, or you could be attacking him so that it looks like it isn't but it is.

I am going to unvote you though, because E00 came out saying he was roleblocked, which means my main read on you is now gone.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#1433
##unvote
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:27 GMT
#1434
From vonthin:

If mafia it clears OWB, but doesn't clear Storr since he has always been suspicious of me.


I really don't get this... why would it not clear storr because he has always been suspicious of you? If anything, that would clear him... but I don't see that he has "always" been suspicious of you anyways. In reality, if you flip mafia it doesn't really say much of anything about Storr, which *i think* is what you're saying, but the way you say it is so weird...

The thing is about scum pairs that there is never any conclusive evidence to support them, so just because one flips red doesn't mean the other will too.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:35 GMT
#1436
I'm not removing any pressure, just my vote ^_^

One of the main reasons I voted you so early is that nobody claimed getting roleblocked. Since nobody claimed, I thought mafia didn't use their roleblock for the sole purpose of making me look scummy. The only person who was even entertaining that thought was YOU (StorrZerg). Since E00 claimed, now I'm confident that you weren't trying to pull that play.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:39 GMT
#1437
On nyx:

He was one of the first people to vote Poofter in the game... I don't see him being willing to play that kind of mindgame with town so early in the game, since he made a semi case on him especially.

On top of that, he's reading town. Sorry Storr, but just because he's playing not all that great doesn't mean he's scum. I'm playing to win... not to teach townies lessons.

What really bugs me though, Storr, is that you say you have a scum read on Vonthin yet you continue to NOT PUSH HIM. Why? I don't get that at all...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 17:46 GMT
#1438
On November 05 2013 17:59 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 17:58 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure it's owb/vonthin that can't be a pair

why


Umm, this one was actually all nyx. During night2 he brought it up and I agreed that vonthin/OWB cannot be scum together. All because they were pushing each other ridiculously hard during the day.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:07 GMT
#1441
I'm gonna vote OWB for now:

##vote Onlywonderboy

The more I think about it the more Vonthin's actions on day2 look pro-town.. Storr? Not so much. OWBs? Hell nah...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:16 GMT
#1445
Let me try to explain the feeling I have with OWB, it comes from the fact that I've played 2 games with him where he was town and I was mafia (so I was trying my best to exploit his "no-confidence" style, especially game1, not so much game2).

In game1: OWB had no confidence in his reads, he was very defensive because people were calling him out on sheeping, not coming up with anything new, etc.. I got him lynched for it eventually.

In game2: he changed it up, was no longer super defensive and he was thinking out of the box, always thinking about different situations that could be occuring (last game there was a lot more role discussion and what not since there was an SK), he was still inactive Eventually he got the vig shot that saved town from loss. Made some mistakes throughout the game but played very good town if we look back at the game. He seemed to really enjoy playing this game.

In this game: I don't know... he seems to have reverted to game1 tendencies without the no-confidence. He's less active then game2, he's not thinking outside of the box... he's tunnel visioning, which I've never seen OWB do.. he's not as active and seems less invested in the game from a town perspective. I feel like he's NOT having fun. Which, based on his play in game 1, I don't think he would really enjoy the pressure that comes from being scum..

This is more of a feeling read. I'll look for more concrete stuff though...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:19 GMT
#1447
Storr, our opinions on nyx differ a lot mainly because I played with nyx before. A lot of stuff that seems scummy to you seems like "classic nyx" to me.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:51 GMT
#1450
I already pointed out how annoying the fact that he didn't share what he thought about poofter at the end of day2 was, but I noticed an extra post that I was missing before. Originally I thought he went afk and came back and saw poofter was going to get lynched so his vote didn't matter anymore, but he posted in between the two posts: here are the 3 posts in question.

On November 04 2013 07:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 06:46 JonnyLaw wrote:
Owb you really should look at poofter. He's scummier to me at this point.

I'd rather stay with him than move onto Von, but if it's an option that will go through I'm okay with that idea.

@storr that's a great point about nyx but he's been getting that pressure all game. Do you think he's playing differently since the start?

Hmm alright then, I'll go back and reread his filter. Von stood out to me more but I won't count out poofter.


Good, he'll look at poofter.

On November 04 2013 09:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
I mean who is all here? This could be important to see if we can even switch the vote at this point.


Oh you're here? Why aren't you sharing what you think of poofter at this point. He's about to get lynched. If you think he's town make a case, if you think he's mafia then vote for him. Doesn't make sense why he's not voting for him at this point, it's pretty clear the vonthin vote is no longer a contender.


On November 04 2013 09:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
I just don't have anything new to say about Von and everyone seems to have their mind made up poof. Poof already has enough votes, I'd switch if he needed one more vote but otherwise there's no real point.


It's still anti-town to not share your opinion on Poofter.... really really annoying play here.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:53 GMT
#1452
On November 06 2013 03:46 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
ebwop

i know owb flipping scum clears Vonthin, but is the reverse true?


No, OWB flipping town would not directly mean Vonthin is mafia. But i'm comfortable saying he is the base of any other mafia pair if owb flips town due to other reasons. Not at all just because vonthin was pushing owb..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 18:54 GMT
#1453
On November 06 2013 03:52 StorrZerg wrote:
can we vote for 24 hour days?


Why would you want 24 hour days? More time = more chances of making a proper lynch...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 19:15 GMT
#1457
On November 06 2013 04:11 StorrZerg wrote:
i've scene other games move to 24 hour days just thought i'd ask.


wow is this a scum slip... "scene"? really? ...................................
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 19:21 GMT
#1459
just joking haha
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#1462
haha honestly i'm just waiting for obzy to chime in as well as OWB..
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