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Balla24
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If you were mafia who would you be pushing for right now? For me: I would be pushing OWB lightly and then pushing E00 and Storr... (assuming everybody but yourself is town). Why? Because OWB is completely inactive when he said he would be, and E00 and Storr are playing weak towns which I would try to take advantage of. What do you think? | ||
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Pushing cake is risky, he's trying to be a lot more analytical... I might also push Vonthin because there are a lot of flaws in his play (which I've pointed out before). I would lightly poke at Jonny because of how bad his cases were day1, but not so much call him scum because he's a scary player. I wouldn't poke Odin, because he comes back hard with a case on you and questions you forever if you even poke him a little bit. | ||
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You guys totally have the right to be suspicious of me. I'm just annoyed that in other games (last game specifically) getting RB'ed as a "strong town read" for most people is an easy way to get confirmed if its considered a mafia RB and in this game it isn't. So I'm sorry for reacting like that. Please, continue to be suspicious of me if you feel it necessary. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:56 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm just asking a question. I'm not angry. Why should anybody be taken at face value in this game? You should understand that as well as anyone. There's a lot of time until we need to decide on our lynch. My point is if there is no mafia roleblocker then claiming to be role blocked as mafia makes a lot of sense. Why did you tell us you were roleblocked? What information does that add to help the town? From what I see it doesn't help us but that could just be a mistake. This is a serious question and I don't know why you're getting so defensive about it. Claiming immediately helps paint a picture for what occurred in the night. It certainly helps, especially if there is a town RB trying to block a kill as well. Think about a situation where there is a town RB and a mafia RB (similar to our game together jonny), town RB's goal is to try to block any scum KP. Mafia RB's someone, and town RB's someone he thinks is mafia. Both people claim to get RB'ed. Now at least 1 person (town RB) knows that the person he didn't RB is confirmed town since mafia roleblocked him, he can choose to either disclose the information on who he blocked or not. it was very silly of me to expect town RB to come out if he blocked me... this was a retarded assumption i had in my head for some reason and the only reason a town RB should come out is if he is 1-shot RB.. If you are blocked though, why hold back your claim? It can only help town to claim it. Holding back information that you have only hurts town (unless you being secret is important to town, in the case of not claiming your blue role) | ||
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Reason I ask though is because I'd like to see if any of our hypothetical targets line up with people in this thread. It's not about whether or not what our hypothetical targets are doing at all. For example, Vonthin lines up significantly with what I wrote. | ||
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I'm not really ok with lynching OWB at this point... now I do think he's off and quite scummy but he's also not here. Until his return to the thread (he said his internet is down) I don't feel like he can adequately defend himself and I believe we'd be severely risking a mislynch if we did this. I'm waiting on a return to thread for some people before I vote though. | ||
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Choosing who to push for however, for me, is mostly completely independent of my teammates and completely dependent on how well players are playing, how well they defend themselves, what kind of mistakes they are making etc... | ||
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He was already looking scummy to me after Day1, but everything after that too isn't improving my judgment on him. First, let's look at the beginning of day2, he says he will read up on jonny/cake at day opening and then posts this: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 10:39 Vonthin wrote: I def think Jonny is scum after reading his filter after the Vanesco murder Everything Van said in this post about him is spot on imo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=36#708 While sounds sheepish of me, I honestly can't add much to that argument since Van made such a good case against him. Since that post that Van made Jonny only made one post In this post he says he was frustrated with the July lynch, if he was frustrated why vote for him? When he started on Julys defense it was when July had 6 votes and it looked like he was going to get the 7th we needed to lynch him any second, I think it would be a good mafia strat to say some guy is innocent when he knows that guy is gonna die then he gets cred later saying he tried to say he was town, if he really thought July was town wouldn't he try to make a good case against someone else and then vote for that person instead of making a half assed case against Odin and then voting for July anyways? Then like Van pointed out he defends and talks about Cakeman again. Nothing about cake the rest of the day... all about Jonny. I think it's convenient that the first thing he does, instead of generally analyzing what the night kill means, why mafia would kill Vanesco he just goes straight for the "look at who vanesco suspected" route... maybe he purposefully killed Vanesco at night to push Jonny during the day. Particularly convenient since Jonny had such an emotional night 1 and was being called suspicious. Easy pickings. I dont' like how he goes after Jonny for voting July... especially since Jonny's vote ultimately didn't matter at all. He was pretty against it and reluctant to do it (which you could say is information bias but you could also just say is careful town), but he didn't have a choice. He's been pressuring easy targets (particularly: my hypothetical mafia targets). Calling out people for basic fallacies when they occur and ignoring poofter completely even though he's called him scum 3 (?) times now... I'd like to lynch him. ##Vote: Vonthin | ||
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I don't really have any better targets but I'm open to options. I feeeel very good about lynching vonthin. Cake I'd like to open up the question I asked Jonny/obzy to you too... if you were Mafia who would you be pushing for? | ||
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1. I had town read on him 2. I've seen town leaders make similar 'mistakes 3. The context around it makes sense for him to say 'other town members'... since he was being aggressive to everyone. 4. I'm not comfortable discerning between scum slips and townie mistakes yet... especially considering this is my first game as town | ||
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