White Flag Mafia

On October 31 2013 21:30 Stutters695 wrote:

A running commentary doesn't make it town commentary. In what ways does his post even attempt to help town?

Each section of his post starts out ok, but he keeps bringing it back to how it's early, it's the best he can do, etc.

That's obvious when it's only a few hours into d1 and implies he's guilty about something and I don't like it.


I'll call someone town when someone gives me a reason to. Why don't you give me a reason?

On October 31 2013 22:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I think it's pro-scum. But I still think it'd be something I'd be afraid of if I was scum if that makes sense. Because there still is that 30% chance that my team would get screwed on day 1 and there'd be nothing I could do about it.

And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.

On November 01 2013 08:33 Pandain wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

He's like way too sporadic without any real focus. Don't know why Oatsmaster would post so much. Just strikes me as weird. Not certain vote yet.

Also Grack is town

On November 01 2013 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:


Oats should know better. JJD's posting doesn't look like scum. he comes off as a bit anti-town but he hasn't been very careful at all.

On November 01 2013 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:

the players doing blatantly scummy things day 1 are almost never scum. He also should be having more trouble coming back into the thread and responding if he was an overwhelmed newbie like you suggest. I can only think of one player that did something like this that flipped scum and it was his first game. It's very easy for scum to appear pro-town on day1.

On November 01 2013 11:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't have a strong feel either way yet.

On November 01 2013 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:

I see JJD as very likely town. I see you jumping on lynch bait because JJD said that thing about others also supporting a hzflank lynch. I think it makes you scummy. That's about as far as it goes for me right now. maybe Pandain can elaborate on whatever he was saying.

On November 01 2013 13:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Do you think I'm scummy for pushing you?

On November 01 2013 13:55 Grackaroni wrote:
what does that mean? I accused you of jumping on lynch bait; that's hardly worthy of being a mafia god. That actually would make you a rather noobish mafia.

On November 01 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
I've seen town Oats. Town Oats would be arguing with me in all caps right now.

On November 01 2013 14:39 Grackaroni wrote:
How is my read bad exactly Oatsmaster? You eventually agreed scum would be more likely to attack JJD so that point must be valid. And rather than being honest you lied about being bad in order to discredit my case. Also discrediting me since you were calling me scum for saying JJD was town.

It also doesn't help that because one scum targeted you last game you OMGUS the two people to accuse you and throw out all of your previous notion on how scum players would interact with you.

On November 01 2013 15:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok. Do you think it is scummy to play the noob/bad card?

On November 01 2013 15:53 Grackaroni wrote:
But not to go, oh nooooooo I'm so bad. that is why I do scummy things such as jump on lynchbait?

Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.

On November 01 2013 17:06 Pandain wrote:
It's 4 am in the morning

On November 01 2013 18:05 Laughing Jack wrote:

Alright, well I'm starting to agree with you on Oats, I think it's a pretty bad sign, that after I came and broke up your attacks on him and asked him to talk about something else he didn't, but has just been hanging around doing nothing. Which indicates he's pretty content with doing nothing as long as he doesn't need to defend himself.

On November 01 2013 18:56 Laughing Jack wrote:
Oats how is what I do in the slightest relevant to what you do?

No, Are you happy with them? Do you think anyone's vote suck, do you think my vote suck? How would you like the votes to be, who do you want pressured?, is Pandain really your top scumread? Plenty to talk about.

On November 01 2013 20:00 Laughing Jack wrote:


I can understand how you would think that since this is clearly directed to Grackaroni alone

But even if you missed it it doesn't matter too much to my point, because even if I hadn't asked you that question, you still didn't take the opportunity to do anything pro-town by yourself. And you're not a newbie so you know well that's what's pro-town to do, and that's what I expected from you when I made Grack back of.

There could had been reasons for why you didn't.
Like you were tired of the game after the Spamfest with Grack and didn't feel like inquiring.
or
That you busy doing something else.
But if that was the case I don't understand why you wouldn't had just said so which makes the conclusion that you were here but had no motive to further the town.

On November 01 2013 20:12 Laughing Jack wrote:

Even in your defence you're not even saying that you couldn't post, you're just wifoming that you might not had been able to post without actually claiming that you couldn't post? Seriously.

And yeah, you posted, (there was about a one hour gap (which is not a lot of time) and since then you've been around regularly.

On November 01 2013 21:02 Laughing Jack wrote:

I picked him because his flip would generate most information and discussion.
I'm interested why you have a green read on him.

On November 01 2013 21:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Now, onto those better d1 lynches than Oats.

I'm actually starting to doubt my HZ read. His point on Fuba is pretty good and I really need to see what Fuba does when he's back.

I'm not 100% against an Hz lynch still because he picked such an easy thing to point out. I noticed it but didn't think much of it and he's still lacking quite a bit in regards to scum-hunting.

I'd like to hear more out of Mig. His point against Hz is interesting (worried about offending) but nothing even close to conclusive and the timing is what concerns me most. He comes in to say that, then bounce rather than interact with anyone still in the thread. A really easy way to contribute d1 and avoid suspicion when people are doing even less.

On November 01 2013 23:52 Mig wrote:
Oats what do you think about Grack? Is this in line with his town meta? Is he normally this aggressive as mafia?

The evidence against hzflank is unquestionably circumstantial but that being said it is still better than anything else I have seen. His point against mkfuba is solid enough but he only began to actually scumhunt once there was pressure on him and Oats directly told him to. It isn't enough for me to erase my earlier suspicions.

hzflank besides mkfuba who are you suspicious of? What do you think about Oats/grack/myself?

tehpoofter/Bereft/mkfuba really need to give their opinions. Just give your opinion on anything.

Pandain is also useless but when I played with him before (a year ago or so) he was useless in pretty much every game I played with him as well, so meh.

On November 02 2013 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
You can't be that worried Oats. I've given more information than anyone else in town.

On November 02 2013 01:51 Grackaroni wrote:

Why are you more concerned about that for me than other players?

It amuses me that it's concerning to you that you don't know all of my reads when I think my reads are pretty open on players that are actually doing anything that can be alignment indicative. Most other players are not this way.

Take Mig for instance. All I know of his reads is that he gained nothing of interest from the thread and is going through with the circumstantial hzflank push. He asks many questions, yet he rarely adds in his own opinions. You want to kill that guy?

On November 02 2013 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:

Unfortunately I don't want to tell you more. Most of these players are all null anyway.

You want to kill Mig?

On November 02 2013 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Nobody is willing to comment at all on what I said on oats.

Oats only plays the noob card when he is mafia and he has an agenda for using it. Why would he say it as town, he doesn't actually believe he is a baddie.

On November 03 2013 02:14 Mig wrote:
Anyone who has any common sense whatsoever should realize pretty easily that I am town. I put legitimate effort into scum hunting all of yesterday, before I had to leave.

Oats/Asinine/Bereft seem like the best targets for tomorrow.

Oats why did you disappear for so long from the thread? Would you have left your vote on Pandain if you had been around the thread near lynch?

It could be a coincidence but looking pretty shady that the 2 guys who voted pandain (bereft/oats) didn't really push for him at all then both went afk from the thread and didn't have to defend their votes or evaluate what was going on.

On November 03 2013 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a scum point though. Surely scum as well would know after the flip that Stutters helped lynch scum.

Oats is being weirdly helpful in a lot of his posts this game and he's not spending much time trying to figure out the game.
All I see in his filter is a town read on hzflank for being confident. (which also could have been equally applied to JJD) A scum read on JJD for caring about whether others agreed with his lynch. A scum read on me for defending JJD. And him wanting to lynch Pandain for lurking.

Maybe I'll check out some meta.