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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 04 2013 03:58 GMT
#881
By far the most interesting thing is that he's gone.

I will analyze later when Bereft, Stutters, and Asinine post.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2013 04:10 GMT
#882
On November 04 2013 12:54 Mig wrote:
I see, would you have said the same thing about oat's vote on pandain?

Any reservations about Oats targeting asinine before he died?

you mean this vote:
On November 01 2013 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talk to me about Pandain Grack.
##vote Pandain
His vote on me and him not commentating on anything else is bad and scummy.

?

Because that's not herpderp RNG k I'm /afk now

-> Thats faking a scumread via OMGUS. Granted, I'm channeling some Captain Hindsight in that assessment, but Oats' vote is not even remotely similar to Bereft's,



As to Oats "targetting" Asinine, he was throwing names out like they were going out of style. Then he died. At that point, its WIFOM and I consider Asinine's filter to be a far more compelling reason to lynch him than any lingering doubts from Oats' filter. I understand that Oats specifically said "lynch Asinine tomorrow" but he had zero presence with which to push that lynch. Based on my scumread on Asinine, I conclude they were trying to go for a counterbus so one of them walked away with towncred.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 04 2013 04:15 GMT
#883
Obviously Oat's vote isn't the exact same but the fact that he put an early vote on Pandain then disappeared for the rest of the day is what I was referring to.

Anyway, so assuming asinine is mafia who do you think his mafia buddy is?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 04 2013 04:17 GMT
#884
It would be great if tehpoofter could answer that also.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2013 04:23 GMT
#885
The initial reasoning for the votes, and the alternate suspicions demonstrated color Oats' /afk vote in a much more scummy light when compared to Bereft's /afk vote.

For Asinine's scumbuddy, I'd believe stutters most easily right now, but pooft and odin could fit. I have varying degrees of townreads on the rest of the players.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2013 04:25 GMT
#886
hmm okay now looking at the votes lots of this doesnt make sense. Asinine is objectively the absolute scummiest person in the game right now, but mafia lose if he is in fact scum. I dunno...I feel like my hands are tied, but I now get where Pandain is coming from wanting to look elsewhere.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 12:41 GMT
#887
Well I'm finally back. Sorry about that, had probably the busiest weekend of my life. Catching up right now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 04 2013 12:49 GMT
#888
Vote Count

Asinine (4): Pandain, Bereft, Laughing Jack, Hopeless1der, TehPoofter
TehPoofter (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
Bereft (2): Laughing Jack, Pandain, Grackaroni
Laughing Jack (1): JarJarDrinks

Asinine is set to be lynched. Deadline is in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 04 2013 14:12 GMT
#889
Stutters you didn't miss too much :p
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 14:12 GMT
#890
Going to give some thoughts as I do individual filters. Phone posting so pardon my formatting.

Asinine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20103824

How he attacks Hz's posts on me don't sit right. Using the wording isn't a good reason to attack him.

Next, his defense of Fuba. He completely ignores what is the most damning(the meta read) part of the case on a 2 post lurker and uses general arguments against lynching him (too many people too quickly, no one had points except initial case).

Followed by saying Hz was cherrypicking points as a reason to lynch him when he's doing the exact same thing. I'm a bit iffy on saying that's a scum tell since town does tend to tunnel harder than scum, but I can see a scum doing this, so if everything else adds up I wanted to point this out.

Now, what I consider most compelling as a reason to lynch him stems from his desire to lynch me after my vote switch.

His first reason isn't true, but I consider that actually very slightly town (on 1-10 scum-town a 6) in a vacuum. It gives a kind of genuine feel of excitement that he "caught"scum, without thinking it through like scum would be more likely to do.

I think it's scummy because it isn't isolated and part of a larger trend of not reading the thread. If he had been reading the thread he would see me struggling to decide between Hz and Fuba leading up to the lynch and the vote wasn't an isolated deal.

Coupled with ignoring the meta read on Fuba it really comes off as him ignoring the thread in favor of posting with the flow of current events to appear town.

Then although his case on LJ is decent, his one on poofter is very poor. Also where is his case on me? From wanting me to be lynched, I've certainly dropped off his radar completely, which is weird when I should have been one of the first people he looked at n1.


I plan on doing more, but I'm going into work, so when I get some downtime I'll be back. Right now I'm completely fine with lynching asinine.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 14:32 GMT
#891
Sorry for not being more active the last few days. Weekends are never really good for me. Gonna reread stuff.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 14:50 GMT
#892
On November 04 2013 23:12 Stutters695 wrote:
Now, what I consider most compelling as a reason to lynch him stems from his desire to lynch me after my vote switch.
Yeah, I was just reading this and the fact that he made this post before the flip:
On November 02 2013 08:51 Asinine wrote:
That Stutters vote is soooo suspicious if fuba flips town. Let's not forget that post.
And then this post after the flip:
On November 02 2013 09:03 Asinine wrote:
I want to lynch Stutters tomorrow. I'm putting hzflank on the backburner until we lynch this guy.

is just terrible.

He specifically says that you're suspicious if Fuba flips town. So Fuba flips scum and the first thought Asinine has is "We should lynch this guy"?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 14:50 GMT
#893
JJD can you link me your most recent scum game when you get a chance? Thanks.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 04 2013 14:53 GMT
#894
JarJar do you plan on voting Asinine? It doesn't look like anyone is going to vote LJ.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 14:56 GMT
#895
And then these posts:
On November 02 2013 09:09 Asinine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 09:06 hzflank wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:03 Asinine wrote:
I want to lynch Stutters tomorrow. I'm putting hzflank on the backburner until we lynch this guy.


You will put the guy who was almost lynched instead of the scum on the backburner, while you lynch the guy who dropped the hammer on the scum?

Check again, Stutter's vote was extraneous and was only placed after it was obvious that fuba would die.

On November 02 2013 09:12 Asinine wrote:
Oh right, Stutters unvoted as well as voted. Fair enough. I still think he should be looked into, along with tehpoofter,

I mean, let's just assume that he was right with that fist post about the stutters vote being extraneous. Well why would he have said that an extraneous vote on a townie is suspicious?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 14:56 GMT
#896
On November 04 2013 23:53 Mig wrote:
JarJar do you plan on voting Asinine? It doesn't look like anyone is going to vote LJ.
Was getting to it:

##Unvote
##Vote: Asinine
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 14:57 GMT
#897
On November 04 2013 23:53 Mig wrote:
JarJar do you plan on voting Asinine? It doesn't look like anyone is going to vote LJ.

And I'll also say that LJ was right in that looking @ Oats filter, I have a hard time believing that they were scumbuddies.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 04 2013 15:00 GMT
#898
On November 04 2013 23:50 Stutters695 wrote:
JJD can you link me your most recent scum game when you get a chance? Thanks.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#899
On November 04 2013 23:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And then these posts:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 09:09 Asinine wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:06 hzflank wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:03 Asinine wrote:
I want to lynch Stutters tomorrow. I'm putting hzflank on the backburner until we lynch this guy.


You will put the guy who was almost lynched instead of the scum on the backburner, while you lynch the guy who dropped the hammer on the scum?

Check again, Stutter's vote was extraneous and was only placed after it was obvious that fuba would die.

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 09:12 Asinine wrote:
Oh right, Stutters unvoted as well as voted. Fair enough. I still think he should be looked into, along with tehpoofter,

I mean, let's just assume that he was right with that fist post about the stutters vote being extraneous. Well why would he have said that an extraneous vote on a townie is suspicious?

That makes sense. Hammering a mislynch is generally less bad than putting a throw away vote on a mislynch which is what he was implying I was doing.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 04 2013 16:17 GMT
#900
So do you plan on voting for asinine stutters?

Odin who are you going to vote for?
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