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Asinine
In hindsight his first few posts are bad. I thought that they were fine at the time, but after I made that lengthy post in response to them he really flew off the handle. I did not even think that he was scummy at the time, and considering that he is an experienced player the logical reason for him to react so strongly to me was to get things moving in the game. He then ended up tunnelling me throughout the day. Due to the accounts low post count it is easy to subconsciously think of him as an inexperienced player, but we do not know that. An experienced player should be more aware of when they are tunnelling.
The thing that I want to stress: During D1, I was the only person that Asinine every called scum or was ever interested in lynching
The only exception is this post:
On November 02 2013 08:39 Asinine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 08:36 Pandain wrote:
No it doesn't at all. People post differently then you. You blandly saying it seems constructed is a horrible reason to justify lynching a three page poster over a three post poster.
I don't know what's taking you so long to answer these, but you're playing so weird right now with horrible reasoning. Are you tunneled right now? How can you justify lynching the second most active person? I don't lynch by post count. I lynch by scumminess. If that's the best argument you've got to defend hzflank, then I rest my case. I am also not tunneled. Had the lynch been between Odin and fuba, I may very well choose fuba to lynch. Fuba isn't exactly a shining beacon of towniness. However, hzflank is the most likely to flip scum.
He also calls Fuba scum, but then considering how hard he pushed to save Fuba I don't think that is relevent.
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On November 02 2013 12:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:
ANd how is Jack on that list?
Typo, he meant you.
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Mig
Mig appears to actually be scumhunting, I just don't agree with the results of it or with his vote on me. Mig decided that I was scum quite quickly and long before he voted for me.
His last post was hypocritical.
On November 02 2013 06:54 Mig wrote:
I read through hzflank's titanic and newbie XLIV mafia games. This game seems so much more like his mafia play from XLIV. In Titanic all his posting was confident and he had no qualms pushing his reads and making cases. In XLIV he was much more wishy-washy. This game he has been incredibly wishy-washy. He makes 1 post voting for Fuba then doesn't push him at all. Telling JJ to vote for tehpoofter instead of fuba who has lurked almost the exact same amount also sits wrong with me. Why wouldn't you recommend that fuba be voted for if you actually lean scum on him and he has virtually the same amount of posts? You don't seem to actually care that we vote for scum. This combined with my earlier read on him is enough for my vote.
##Vote hzflank
I will say though fuba has also been totally useless and his one post coming back to the game didn't make him look any better. I have to go now but I will try to be back 30 min before lynch to check what is going on (no promises tho).
One of the main reasons that Mig votes for me is because I am wishy washy, which is true and I wont claim that I ever pushed a lynch on mkfuba (I got lucky). Mig ends that post with a disclaimer though, which is as wishy-washy as it gets. You only make a disclaimer like that if you are hoping to be called out on it, right? Well...
The other thing was how he paid special attention to a lynchbait post that I made. Why is he calling me out for a lynchbait post in the same post that he is posting obvious bait? Did he not know that he was posting bait? In which case that disclaimer makes him look like scum.
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Yeah tbh when I read Mig I thought he was scum. But when I actually started to write about him I realised that I was a bit hasty. I am not against lynching him, but he is not at the top of my list.
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Same, you can never trust a man who carries a gun but forgets to bring ammo.
I am too tired to pay Jack the attention that he deserves, so we will converse tomorrow.
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If Pandain were scum then he would just have voted for me, or at least not pushed so hard to save me. Remember that when Pandain voted for mkfuba, Pandain actually had the most votes. And he could not rely on the full scum team to support him because at least mkfuba was afk (with his vote parked on me). Worry about Pandain later perhaps, but not in the short term.
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In regards to day one bussing: due to the white flag setup you may as well wait until we see more flips. If there was a bus then there would of been more than one scum in on it (a solo scum with a lot of town cred cannot win this game).
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So on the rare occasions when I am not being an asshole, and if I try really really hard, I guess I can see a town perspective from which Asinine's post could come from. There is also the actions vs words thing though. Talk is cheap, but when you vote for the guy with 3 pages instead of the guy with 3 posts, you better think that the guy with 3 posts is town. If Asinine thought that mkfuba was town and that I was scum then their vote is fine. As it stands his vote was actually anti-town.
That applies to Mig too.
Ofcourse you can consider that perhaps they are players who rely more on their ability to read people than on any strategy, but a D1 anti-town vote is still a black mark.
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On November 02 2013 19:40 Laughing Jack wrote:
I voted hzflank over fuba because of all the lurkers coming back and bandwagoning fuba felt really strange and scum-driven. I really did not expect mkfuba to flip scum after seeing that. I'm glad he did though.
You went from:
Wanting to lynch me for information, to
Wanting to lynch a lurker, to the above.
At the time of your vote there were four people on mkfuba: myself, Pandain, Grack and Odin.
Obviously Grack and myself were not lurkers, so the bandwagoning lurkers that you refer to must be Pandain and Odin.
At that time, there were three votes on me (Mkfuba, Asinine and Mig) and three votes on Pandain (Bereft, Oats and JJD).
Now, if you wanted to lynch a lurker and you thought that Pandain's vote was scum-driven, why did you vote for me as opposed to Pandain?
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On November 03 2013 03:44 Pandain wrote:
The problem is bus reasons were pretty crappy to defend asinine. His reasons for you were bordering okay but again scum can be reasonable. I don't like how all his posts are to save Fuba and then he just gives up when it became obvious
I think it was fair to say that he was hard-(directly) defending Fuba rather than directly attacking me. I have seen town hard-defend other town day one, so I am sure that town can accidentally hard-defend scum on day one, but for a lurker? Asinine did not even think that Fuba was town. To put it very simply:
Asinine hard-defended a lurker who he thought was scum. That is anti-town play.
Is there anyone here who would honestly do that as town?
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Asinine posted this at the same time that Odin voted for fuba. It is reasonable to think that Asinine did not see Odin's vote before he posted this.
On November 02 2013 07:17 Asinine wrote:
I'm still unimpressed with hzflank. His filter reeks of careful posturing which is reminiscent of standard scum play. Pursuing hzflank directly isn't netting immediate results because his posting is so meticulously crafted. However, I'll be leaving my vote on him if I cannot find any more convincing candidates.
I'll filter a few other players. Be back soon.
Why is it important as to whether or not he saw Odin's vote before he posted?
Asinine was casual in that post. He wanted to lynch me but he was also going to look for other candidates. Almost nothing happened in the thread for the next 32 minutes. Then Asinine makes his next post, which is his detailed case in defence of mkfuba.
What happened to make Asinine go from being casual and looking into other people to writing up a case in defence of mkfuba? Well it has to be Odin's vote.
So maybe you think: well Asinine really wanted hzflank to be lynched, so Odin's vote spooked him?...Nope. Before Odin voted Pandain was set to be lynched. So why did Odin's vote spook Asinine?
In my opinion it is because Asinine is scum.
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On November 03 2013 05:08 Pandain wrote:
Oh what wow.
That changes everything.
Also do not forget the white flag mechanic.
I would avoid thinking too much about the replacement at the moment. There is nothing we can do about that yet.
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No, 100 minutes until night actions are locked.
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I would be surprised if there is a vig shot. Not only is it unlikely that there is a vig, but even if there is they may not of been active enough to decide on their target.
Best to play as if there are no power roles, for the moment.
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Tehpoofter has done nothing this game. IIRC he has not even posted since the flip. His only saving grace is that he voted at the same time as Stutters, so he would not of know that Stutters was about to switch and Tehpoofters vote would then of been the hammer.
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On November 03 2013 06:41 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 06:41 Pandain wrote:On November 03 2013 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2013 06:34 Pandain wrote:
I wouldn't mind him to be vigged. As I said I can't read him and him being absent doesn't help his cause.
Good because I vigged Oats  Good because I vigged Asinine and was joking about my joking Damn these meta plays!
So I should not of doctored Asinine?
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On November 03 2013 06:45 Pandain wrote:
Asinine are you thinking about claiming your real ID since it will help town decide whether or not to lynch you, since you will likely be lynched.
I will take a stab at Aquanim. Although I am even worse at finding smurfs than I am at finding scum, and I only actually know a dozen or so players anyway.
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Fwiw, I compared LaughingJack's timestamps with Rayn's from other games. LaughingJack is not Rayn (judging by some of the times), but LJ is in the euro timezone.
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