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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:21 GMT
#461
On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote:
I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi.

What was I supposed to do?

Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:25 GMT
#466
On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:08 Promethelax wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.

Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.

Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.

Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again.

##twerk
Since when are you good at blue Prome.
I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum.

You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum.



I don't think you are scum. I think you are town.

Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it.

Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games.

What.
You wont give me powers because you think Im bad? Non of my powers can hurt town, but they are nice to have. If you think Im town, there is literally no reason to not give me powers.


I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town.

Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n

Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers.
Could you give me an updated read on Pandain?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:37 GMT
#478
On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:08 Promethelax wrote:
On October 28 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 28 2013 13:58 Promethelax wrote:
I the resisting = interesting sorry Seuss, my tablet is a butt munching ass licker.

Rayn, fair enough points. I approve and find you townie. As such you and I and maybe Marv are starting a townie circle, which I have the power to create.

Oats, why should I power you up? You think I am scum for a bad reason and are generally a silky bastard who I would not give roles to this early. Remember carnival cruise where you never crumbed your cop checks and in death cleared a scum? You can stay powerless thanks. If you think everyone should be powered why have you not powered me and Marv? The two best payers with power up abilities.

Pandain, the fick are you doing? Why announce your return and vanish again.

##twerk
Since when are you good at blue Prome.
I really dont expect this from you prome. You shit on me for no reason, and you havent called me scum yet, but arent willing to argue your reads with me or do anything to convince people that someone else is scum.

You should power me because you think Im town and you havent said im scum.



I don't think you are scum. I think you are town.

Two reasons I won't power you: 1 is [redacted due to ongoing game] 2 you don't need a power role right now. There are few people who use day 1 power roles really well and you aren't one, if you were mod confirmed town I'd give you power but the risk reward between giving a scum you power and a town you power is not worth it.

Since forever am I good at blue. Look at my MS games or chronotrigger or...that might be all my blue games.

What.
You wont give me powers because you think Im bad? Non of my powers can hurt town, but they are nice to have. If you think Im town, there is literally no reason to not give me powers.


I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town.

Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n

Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers.
Could you give me an updated read on Pandain?


I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game:
This post is the one I find most alignment indicative

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On October 28 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote:
Alright here it is
http://www.omgus.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=1204&p=51808#p51808



Tell me why and which alignment I think he is

Based on the context and my thoguht process at that time i do not find that post alignment indicative at all. If there was something alignment indicative in that post, to me it would be that Pandain for some reason at first refused to give out the game (i am not sure if he did figure out what i was after in the first place) -- and that would point towards him being scum. But i do not think it's the case here.

Why do you think that post is alignment indicative and to which direction?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:43 GMT
#485
Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv.

Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:51 GMT
#493
Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself?
If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right..

##Vote: Pandain
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:55 GMT
#497
On October 28 2013 14:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself?
If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right..

##Vote: Pandain


It's more emotion posting in me late at night.
Even as town you're supposed to appear town, it doesn't matter really what you know you are.
And I've posted, I don't think bad, but too early and people jumped on it and I don't like being under suspicion especially late at night when I'm emotional.

Going to go afk and sleep, I'll be back tomorrow.

I hope you shape up if you are town. Atm this does not look neither your town games nor your scum games, but it does not change the fact your posts are bad and your suspicions are based on nothing and to me it seems like you are contradicting yourself and posting stuff and making cases just for the sake of doing so.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 05:56 GMT
#498
WoS i just TLDR'd. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 06:02 GMT
#501
On October 28 2013 14:57 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself?
If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right..

##Vote: Pandain


That isn't what I'd pick up On There. Look instead at the fact that he posted it to avoid suspicion, like I said. Scum doing something that doesn't matter to look townie,

I am not voting for him for that post. I am voting for him because of what i just said. I think the post you brought up is not alignment indicative at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 06:03 GMT
#503
On October 28 2013 15:02 OOHCHILD wrote:
I am about to start to read the thread for the first time. Will I enjoy it?

I dunno, tell us when you've caught up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 06:06 GMT
#505
On October 28 2013 15:03 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote Pandain!

Yeahhhhh lets all vote for him when he cant respond


Lol, I was about to suggest we all vote WoS because he went to sleep.

Rayn: look in his explanation that you quoted. His reasoning is non townie. To avoid suspicion is crap,

Explain it to me like i am 5yr old, i don't get what you mean tbh?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 06:20 GMT
#508
On October 28 2013 15:09 Promethelax wrote:
Panda bear man say he no want to be looked at mean, if panda bear man is green he doesn't care but pa da bear man is red and cares about his image. He doesn't want people to think he is bad panda bear man.

Yes i get that's what you are saying. What i do not get is why would Pandabearguy as mafia think he looks worse if he refuses to post the game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 06:49 GMT
#514
On October 28 2013 15:22 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 15:09 Promethelax wrote:
Panda bear man say he no want to be looked at mean, if panda bear man is green he doesn't care but pa da bear man is red and cares about his image. He doesn't want people to think he is bad panda bear man.

Yes i get that's what you are saying. What i do not get is why would Pandabearguy as mafia think he looks worse if he refuses to post the game?


Because mafia. You get a little nervous and you act out of character for a townie.

Oats: I think so. Why did you decide to give me power?

Okay so here are the possibilities i see:
(1) Pandain is town: I am accusing him of something he does not understand. He thinks i misread his meta from that game (as he said it does not apply to his overall meta) and i might make a case on him about something that is incorrect and not alignment indicative. However, when i push him to give the game out he realizes that looks worse on him if he does not give out the game, and he might get (incorrectly) accused of it. Him being a suspect for incorrect reasoning does not help the town, town is looking into wrong places and wasting time for stupid misunderstanding.
(2) Pandain is scum: What you said.

Now i think both of the possibilities are equally likely. Why do you think (2) is more likely than (1), because as either alignment Pandain's explanation for the game thingy is the same, and it makes as much sense regarding (1) than it does regarding (2)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 07:18 GMT
#517
There is this voting thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433560
You place your vote there in format [ b ]##Vote: Playername[ /b ] (without the spaces - so it's bolded). Usually it's reasonable to post your vote in this game thread aswell so people can keep up with the current votes without having to read both of the threads.

You could also give your reasoning for voting for Pandain here, plox.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 07:20 GMT
#518
On October 28 2013 15:57 OOHCHILD wrote:
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I have an important question for those who have not yet fully claimed.
Could your power belong to either town or mafia? Mine could.

I would like to ask a counter-questions (which should answer yours aswell).
What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments?
Also why is this so important?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 07:45 GMT
#522
I don't have a good reason to read it as two but not one, its just how I read the situation.

So how does that make Pandain scum again? I am not following you..

OOHCHILD: I would rather hear you giving us some reads than talk about mechanics, although i do not understand why do you want to shut down this discussion like Prome said. So could you answer him and then also give some reads on people. There has been a lot going on in thread. What do you make of it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 08:14 GMT
#525
Pandain why do you have a townread on marv?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 09:03 GMT
#527
Koshi is there any reason your filter is a pile of nothing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 09:43 GMT
#541
Koshi do you think Prome is scum or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 09:51 GMT
#545
On October 28 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Prome, what does that "i reserve judgement on marv for now" mean?
I found it odd that he came in saying "power me up", then when people actually did that he says this:
On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free.

Why?

Oats is right here, if you are town, why would you possibly not want people to power you up? Or if you have a reason for it, why bring up the "power me like this" in the first place?

This really is a bad post rayn. At best you're making things out to be not what they actually are; why I don't know. You say I came in saying "power me up". Well:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/

Yes, I say that I'm going to need powering me up, but I literally do not ask people to power me up at that juncture. I specifically say "at some point". Why not bring it up? At some point, I will need people to ##twerk for me. It's very simple. Might as well mention it now, so it doesn't come as a shock to people later in the day.

You then ask why I would possibly not want people to power me up? Well...
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players.

That's also been answered already.

Why are you throwing suspicion on me for stuff that's already pretty clear in the thread, rayn?

Because you go from this:
On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 06:34 HotCottonCandy wrote:
also marvellosity what does your ##twerk thing consist of? is this also something we should activate during the day?

I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to.

...to this:
On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free.

in 20 min, and inbetween here i do twerk you, and Sentinel does twerk you.
Like you are okay with people twerking you but when people actually do it you don't want it anymore.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 28 2013 09:51 GMT
#546
On October 28 2013 18:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Prome is scum or not?

rayn, tell me if I am scum for the reason Prom said out that conversation with Oats. Why am I scum for saying he is 3p because both alignments can power him up? As if town can only power themselves up by town votes? Like how the fuck does town know that?

I do not think you are scum because of the conversation. But do you think Prome is scum or not?
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