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I would like to prospose, so long as Wave doesn't continue his suicidal streak, that we arrange for a test of our voting powers, and lynch [UoN]Sentinel pending verification of said powers in tonight's vote.
I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying.
I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him:
On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.
##Twerk marvellosity
Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up.
##15
Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13.
On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.
wtf is this reasoning? KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES. marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant.
[UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good.
What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best.
Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep.
We'll see. On October 28 2013 08:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
No idea if hosts are away/busy or something wasn't sent in properly. I'm hoping it's the first.
I don't think Pandain's doing anything serious, just pressuring for information. Otherwise it looks like a really shitty self-justifying case. On October 28 2013 23:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Phone posting from school, up to page 30
Here is what I can say right now
I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing.
I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision.
This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made.
Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd:
On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 19:27 Promethelax wrote:On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 19:10 Promethelax wrote:
Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more? Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch. Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread? I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads.
This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it.
On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.
##Twerk
Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.
Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.
Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.
I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that. I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.
There's also this post which caught my attention:
On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.
##Twerk
Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.
Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.
Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.
I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that. I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement.
I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster.
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On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise?
Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game.
Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test.
I also forgot:
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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On October 30 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already?
I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that.
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On October 30 2013 02:59 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel I get that you think some posts by sent were 'odd' but do you really think he is scum? If yes do you really think confirming vote powers matters? I'll bet you real money that no one is lying about there powers which effect the vote since they'd never be able to use their real powers later in the game.
I think there's a distinct possibility [UoN]Sentinel is scum and a worthy lynch target, with the bonus that we don't murder someone with a potentially important power like Wave before we confirm it actually works.
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On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel So why did you vote for Wave?
Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently.
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On October 30 2013 03:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel So why did you vote for Wave? Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently. How does Pandain's power change things in your eyes?
It makes things symmetrical for one, but a big part of my original counter-claim was the notion that we wouldn't have multiple voting powers in the game. Once you add Pandain into the mix that idea is shattered.
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On October 30 2013 03:09 HotCottonCandy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:05 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 03:01 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 02:42 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait, Marvel, doesn't Seuss have to claim there? Or else he has to never use his power and claim vanilla?
Yeah this is a point. Seuss - why did you leave using your power until after Wave did? When were you planning on using it otherwise? Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel So why did you vote for Wave? Because before Pandain came up again all I saw were two similar powers and I thought it weird to have a straight +1 power and an alternative +1/-1 power. Once Pandain came into the picture I realized my error, and if I'd remembered him sooner I'd have approached everything differently. could you give us something more concrete though? Ignoring the powers of WoS and Pandain what makes WoS scummier then pandain to you?
The fact that he was buddying up to me for most of the game (I don't really care about the 180), the smurf tangent, the weird power fake out. People were also making strong arguments against him and pressuring him at the time, so it looked like he was grasping at something to save himself.
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On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?
Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard.
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On October 30 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:21 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now? Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard. Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel?
Well I happen to have put a whole lot of effort into making a case against him.
After Wave, myself, and Pandain all explicitly revealed it became evident that Wave fake-claiming wasn't likely, and so long as we had an alternative target we could test everyone's powers without needed to lynch voting power that may become critical as the game goes on. There was also a mess of confusion once Wave started martyring himself. If my idea also got everything on track so town wasn't running around like crazy, all the better.
I'll admit there's a chance we lose a useful power with Sentinel as well, but at the moment I think he looks scummier than Wave.
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On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote:
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.
He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again.
More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet.
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On October 30 2013 03:34 Promethelax wrote:
so, sorry, to clarify Suess: you believe that we shouldn't lynch someone because they have a power useful for town and yet you believe that that person may be, and in fact probably is, scum? You've called wave scum and your whole plan is about proving the claimed powers while lynching sent but you haven't said why proving the powers matters at all. Can you explain to me what it is about those powers that needs to be confirmed?
I don't think it's absolutely necessary to verify the voting powers, but at the time the vote train was solidly on Wave and I thought other possibilities were being overlooked. You specifically have been on my case for lacking independent thought, so when I had a unique idea that seemed to have merit I went for it.
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On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:Reposting: Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?
He probably gave me more benefit of the doubt than makes logical sense. That's my only thought.
I put this defense up there with OOHCHILD's "bored of mafia" defense.
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On October 30 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote:
Seuss
Why did you not say anything about the ##Boost power from WoS?
I wasn't here at the time he used it, and when I got back he wasn't here and no one had commented on it. Meanwhile, what would later become the OOHCHILD/Clarity fiasco was underway so I dove right into that.
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On October 30 2013 05:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:On October 30 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote:
Seuss
Why did you not say anything about the ##Boost power from WoS? I wasn't here at the time he used it, and when I got back he wasn't here and no one had commented on it. Meanwhile, what would later become the OOHCHILD/Clarity fiasco was underway so I dove right into that. So you read it while catching up and didn't think it was worthwhile to talk about? Did you believe WoS actually used a power on you?
I thought it was possible but as I had zero information about what he did and it had been completely ignored, I filed it away and moved on.
For that matter, why didn't you or anyone else comment on it?
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At this point if marv, rayn, and prom all vote for the same person that's pretty much a lynch unless Pandain uses his power on one of them.
That triple vote.
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On October 30 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote:
I have to go Marv, but I don't think WoS is playing how an almost-to-be-lynched scum is playing. No attempt at trying to lynch another person, merely defending.
I will use my power on SnB, notice he voted for WoS of course, and urge people to vote him but I will now follow on my phone.
##Upbraid Strongandbig
This is only really helpful at the moment if marvellosity jumps off the WaveofShadow train.
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On October 30 2013 05:49 marvellosity wrote:
Can we actually kill Clarity? I know he might not be mafia, he might be, and i'm just not happy with any of what we've got right now.
Well the whole vote power confirmation thing is currently screwed up because both you and strongandbig are voting for the same person. That's one way to resolve it.
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On October 30 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I can attempt to phonepost but yeah prerty sure ise fucked.
Do you not think I am scum anymore, or more sure of clarity?
If you and I both vote for Clarity at this point, and our powers are real, I think Clarity dies.
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Actually I think Koshi just clinched it.
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