WoS wasn't onto any of them. We can agree that Seuss is the weakest member in that scumteam and WoS had a townread on Seuss.
The only reason that they killed WoS was for:
1) His spell powerup
2) His read on SnB. He was on SnB for ages. Tripplestacked him. Made cases against him.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 10:50 GMT

#4354

WoS was kinda really good btw. You should read that filter. Good pressure on rayn/Kush/SnB and a little on Oats/VA

Koshi

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November 06 2013 10:52 GMT

#4357

On November 06 2013 19:51 marvellosity wrote:
I'd argue Seuss was a more valuable team-member than s&b anyway (he was trying harder, he writes properly, who cares if he's not a vet) by how they were playing, so killing WoS who was the one with a townread on Seuss just because he HAD been suspicious of s&b (but wasn't anymore really) seems like it isn't a reason at all

Exactly. That's why they killed him for his power. Which they would only do if they were with 4.

It's 9 vs 4 and Oats is town.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 10:53 GMT

#4359

Btw, they did RB on Oats N1. They all powered up Oats and then RB on him.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 10:54 GMT

#4362

On November 06 2013 19:53 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

Since when?

The game makes sense to me now.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 10:54 GMT

#4364

This game is solved for me. Oats is not scum.

2 out of SnB/Kush/Sentinel are.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:03 GMT

#4367

I am certain it is like this. If it isn't I am sad because this would be a Sherlock Holmes ending to this game.

We could have this
1) Policy lynch
2) Scum lynch
3) Scum lynch
4) Scum lynch -> Scum surrender

But now we will have
1) Policy lynch
2) Scum lynch
3) Scum lynch
4) marv is butthurt lynch
5) Scum lynch
6) town lynch because we will pick the town out of SnB/Kush/Sentinel
7) we pray too jeebus for a scum lynch

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:15 GMT

#4372

I don't like it. At all.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:24 GMT

#4376

On November 06 2013 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
Like, just glancing over the OP, there is almost certainly a 3p, and the setup almost certainly isn't 8-4-1 because that would be really really stupid.

The OP is a lie.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:25 GMT

#4378

On November 06 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
I bet you my TL signature that the setup isn't 9-4, I bet everything I know of mafia and the universe.

ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. Noted down. In return I will give you town MVP if we finish before D5 ends.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:52 GMT

#4380

This is why 9 vs 4 makes sense to me.

Scum starts with 4 members
They look at their powers and understand that they can win the game when it is 5 vs 4.
They see that there are 4 town blues asking for power ups.
They plan to lynch into them on Day 2 and win the game Day 3 (5 vs 4) using Seuss his minus vote which he lied about. Both marv and VA are showing willingness to lynch into the blues during the first cycle. Mafia plan to win on Day 3 is looking perfect.
Day 2 starts with Pandain giving out his reads and giving SnB/Kush/Seuss/Koshi scumreads, you can see that rayn from harddefending Pandain the entire Day 1, goes to “Koshi let’s talk about Pandain again” because his reads are good. At the end of Day 2 Pandain gave you reasons to why Oats is town, at the end of Night 2 Pandain ended with:

On November 02 2013 07:44 Pandain wrote:
Honestly I think Rayn/Kush takes highest priority.

Ultimately, Oats/SnB relies on assumption logic, that scum reacted a certain way, that Oats would try to defend Seuss, that Seuss would put blame on Oats[he was pretty adamant on Oats up until he left].

It's all inference.

But I think it's ultimately less inference that WoS got shot for one of his reads. I don't think it's a far reach at all to say that he wouldn't have been shot for being town and just town, he had to have been right on something. Even if Ver was playing, if he was wrong about everything you could even keep him alive.

And he was suspicious of Rayne, so that's something. Rayn was gone during this lynch for a nap. (where's the rayn that is leading town! that loves mafia!) Rayn has a role which has several inherent powers. See Seuss's role. Also makes perfect sense for third party. Rayn has claimed to mis-read his role like 3 times. Rayn claimed a seemingly very important role, which shows a lack of fear of getting shot. Or if he was SK, then he wouldn't really need to be afraid.

All the town roles we know (Miley Cyrus; (Koshi what's yours?), President, Total Biscuit, Oprah) are all twitter celebrities. So far the scum we see, and the day post indicates, are people who have something against twitter. Anthony weiner and an old man who hates twitter makes perfect sense . I also ultimately agree that having a role which does have PM-abilities to activate his power is pretty suspicious when contrasted with the rest of us.

Probably last scummers are to be found here: rayn, Kush, Oats and SnB.

But with scum only being with 3 and Sentinel not being scum, how did scum know that the nukes were fakes? Rayn would not buss Oats so early and Onegu would have shot his nuke. They must have been 100% certain that the nukes had to be fake. And without Sentinel being scum that means that there are 4 scummers.
Seuss, Rayn, 2 out of SnB/Sentinel/Kush or only Sentinel.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:54 GMT

#4382

I am going to see if VA wants to rebel and vote for somebody else.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:56 GMT

#4384

It's perfectly logical. rayn is not bussing Oats with a nuke and then goes hardcore defense for Seuss.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 11:59 GMT

#4387

Tears will flow

Koshi

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November 06 2013 12:00 GMT

#4388

Also, hosts only did it to fuck with town because there are 4 scums and they know there is no 3p.

Koshi

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November 06 2013 12:00 GMT

#4389

BUT TOWN SHALL PREVAIL

Koshi

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November 06 2013 12:52 GMT

#4392

I did jail him 24/7

Koshi

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November 06 2013 12:59 GMT

#4393

So what you think about my theory? You want to join the rebellion?

Koshi

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November 06 2013 13:07 GMT

#4401

Oats, nobody cares if marv is 3p and probably he isn't 3p... like 99% town, 1% 3p

Now tell us who is scum out of SnB/Kush/Sentinel and we shall lynch the scummiest one.