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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 03:04 GMT
#382
Oats he is not saying you shouldn't ask people to power you up, he is saying people should not power you up for no reason. There is a difference you know..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 03:47 GMT
#399
Prome:
Rayn, I assume your power which you used on Marv either makes him your mason or gives him powers. Why did you have enough of a town read on him to give him powers? Or is it masoning?

I still would rather not talk about it. It does not help anyone to figure out either of our alignment atm.

Also Prome & Oats, Pandain does tryhard as both alignments, it's not alignment indicative from him. I know how to read Pandain, and you can't possibly tell which alignment he is atm.

On October 28 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I think marv is town for mainly that post and the fact that he didnt come out guns blazing.

Since when has marv came out guns blazing as scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 03:53 GMT
#402
On October 28 2013 12:51 Promethelax wrote:
Because sent's only goal this whole game has been to power himself up and hasn't cared about anyone's alignment at all or tried to do anything but get his power from the hosts?

Why do you think i wanted to power him up?
Now he has to do something with his power, prove that it's something that's actually useful on D1 (as he wanted it to power up and din't stop us), then he has to scumhunt.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 03:59 GMT
#405
Prome, what does that "i reserve judgement on marv for now" mean?
I found it odd that he came in saying "power me up", then when people actually did that he says this:
On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free.

Why?

Oats is right here, if you are town, why would you possibly not want people to power you up? Or if you have a reason for it, why bring up the "power me like this" in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:03 GMT
#407
Hey Candyman, do you think Sent is telling truth about his power being one-shot?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:10 GMT
#410
On October 28 2013 13:07 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Candyman, do you think Sent is telling truth about his power being one-shot?


I don't plan on leaving it up to chance so don't really care. Unless he does something seriously amazing for town or starts playing beastly I plan to see what his role is by night.

What does this mean? He has to use it either way unless i am wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:10 GMT
#411
Oh lol, i get it. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:11 GMT
#413
Let's see what he has to say himself.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:14 GMT
#415
EBWOP: Above to Candyman and his Sentinel stuff.

Yeah you might be right about marv Prome. It just felt odd to me to ask something and when people do it then say "no don't".
Do you think Oats is scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:23 GMT
#422
On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three?

I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:27 GMT
#424
On October 28 2013 13:17 Promethelax wrote:
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On October 28 2013 13:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Above to Candyman and his Sentinel stuff.

Yeah you might be right about marv Prome. It just felt odd to me to ask something and when people do it then say "no don't".
Do you think Oats is scum?


I dont know. And that worries me. He is talking out of his ass and spouting nonsense but he could easily be town doing that. Given that he is intentionally antagonizing me and I know I'm town and I know he regards me highly I give him a slight town lean over all. It's not based on his play in the least though. All mentality all day.

You mean he would not likely attack you in case he was scum? Or that points towards him being town more than scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:29 GMT
#426
Pandain since you are here, you have yet to explain the WoS read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:31 GMT
#428
On October 28 2013 13:26 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:
On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote:
Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why?

Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now.

Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads?


Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky.

Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is.

So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game.


Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why?


I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there.

In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before.

So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment.

Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum?
What am i supposed to explain in my posts?
Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:42 GMT
#429
On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three?

I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.


And why did you choose to not power the other three?

I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv.

Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up!

Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this:
On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/

Then he says this:
On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 06:34 HotCottonCandy wrote:
also marvellosity what does your ##twerk thing consist of? is this also something we should activate during the day?

I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to.

And this:
On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players.


rayn thought process:
"marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens:
(1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers
(2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum
(3) something else, we gain info"


Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone).

I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is.

That being said:
##yolo Promethelax
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:54 GMT
#432
On October 28 2013 13:48 Seuss wrote:
----
Okay.

I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face.

Your post that most stood out to me was this one:

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On October 28 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:01 Pandain wrote:
Rayn, assuming there is at least one mafia here(even me), who do you think is mafia.

And why.

I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet.

How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him?


I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it.

Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point.

wow wow wow buddy.

I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl.

Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:56 GMT
#434
And tbh Pandain should know i am the most likely person in this game to lie about using a power in the first place regardless of my alignment..

That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 04:58 GMT
#436
Oats i am not going to power you at least yet. We'll see about that later on today.
You look kinda town though, case on Pandain is <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 05:04 GMT
#443
Oh shit, good point WoS. I also want to know how WoS' entrance to the thread was scummy. I asked about it from PAndain already and he gave some wishy-washy answer.
Pandain and Prome, time to elaborate.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 05:15 GMT
#454
Seuss:
Pandain voted for me before i used a power on marv. Based on this:
On October 28 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Incinerate: Koshi

lol i just had to do it. :D


Could you just read Oats' case on Pandain and comment on it? And read Pandain's case on me, and my response to it and comment on it aswell. I have answered everything Pandain has brought up against me in thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2013 05:17 GMT
#457
On October 28 2013 14:15 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote:
Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three?

I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment.


Which for future reference is a bad move to power up someone on a single scum/town tell. Furthermore you should know that Marv or any player should be ideally good enough as scum to not outright advocate power-upping themselves.

Could you actually read the thread before commenting on stuff?
If you have read the thread already you are probably scum because of this post.
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