I am adding Sentinel to my town reads. Any reasoning I could think as to why he's scum borders on conspiracy theories and I think it's safer just to assume he's playing like he seems like he's playing: town.

He nuked immediately which is probably town in my eyes. He nuked a suspicious person, why do that and eliminate a suspicious player for the town

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 01:25 GMT

#2614

Maybe I'm wrong and it's like Seuss/Oohchild/Vayne.

Hmmm.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 01:29 GMT

#2616

Rayn is being too much of a dick to be scum imo, along with other reasons.

I could lynch Seuss, think Oohchild is the best lynch even though he's being nuked, and could lynch Vayne. Where he at?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 01:32 GMT

#2618

Seuss=Onegu.
And I guess whenever Rayn disagrees with me I think he's a dick lol

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 01:36 GMT

#2619

On October 29 2013 05:15 Pandain wrote:
I'll be blunt Rayn the reason why I took my suspicion off of you was because you could be a mason role and therefore it would make sense to PM Marv.

However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it!

You also upped your game and are being town.

I forgot another thing, this:

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On October 29 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay marv this looks much better. First things first. You will not get the PM until the deadline, i asked about it from the hosts. This is important. As that is the case, consider my twerk null. Another interesting thing. Your Promethelax "townslip" thingy, or what makes you think he is town. I find that reasonable, although i am not sure if i agree with that. I know i could, as scum, do what you are giving Prome a townread for. What is really interesting about it is WoS' reaction to the post. He doesn't seem to be agreeing with what you said as his vote yet remains on Prome. That's not what's weird in it however, what is weird is that he does not address the post in any way, he just let's it be like it didn't happen. If he thinks that does not make Prome town, why not say "i disagree" or something, as, by default, he should disagree with the post in case he still has a scumread on Prome.

WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way?

I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^

Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something.

Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says?

I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything...

On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever):
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 28 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:

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This is the attempt I'm going to make to reach out to you. I'm doing so under the assumption that you're a new(er) player.

Firstly, and it's been mentioned already, there is absolutely no reason to shut down discussion like you have here. If you're town, then being open and frank about your thought process is an exceedingly good way to prove your alignment, which is obviously a pretty damn important thing.

Secondly, you have absolutely no reason to condescend to someone like you've done here. It might be vaguely understandable if you were a known excellent player who had the clout to condescend, but you aren't (as far as I'm aware). There is literally no benefit to belittle rayn like this while he is trying to question you.

My problem with you, and it's a large one, is this. On one hand you are doing:

1) telling people how they will have conversations with you, arrogantly condescending to you
and on the other hand you are doing this:
2) going "oh gosh, i want to vote for this player, how do I do it hehehehe?" (my sexy paraphrasing)

This is a pretty unfortunate mix of arrogance and playing the newbie card.

If you're town, shape up.

Goddamn marv, i envy you. Purely because these kinda posts are the reason that makes me understand why you are listened in these games and i am not.

This post is so town in a number of ways.
Comprehensive, shows interest in getting opinion out.
Good points, so either I'm bad or we're on same scum trail

And the last post really strikes me as such a town thing to do. It's really hard to fake those kinds of posts.

Rayn is obviously trying to prove himself in this game since there are so many other good players and he has recently wanted to try to up his game to the next level.

It's dangerous to buddy Marv because that encourages doctors to save him or at least promotes him staying alive and a town marv is such a huge boon for town.

Or they're both mafia which is way more unlikely.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 01:40 GMT

#2621

On November 01 2013 10:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Pandain please.
Why do you want to lynch a replacement without allowing him the chance to contribute and I assume that you have changed your mind about Rayn being a dick because you havent showed anything, SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE IS TOWN?

Why would I not lynch someone who was scummy before.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 02:04 GMT

#2623

I'm going to address Seuss later, as I'll analyze him more and get a thorough opinion. I guess I'll also analyze Vayne while I'm at it.

As for Rayne, the thing is that that post showed clear interest in figuring out what's happening. Him even using a power on Marv takes huge balls and would be scary for scum to do. Him very poorly tunneling you is something a town Rayn would do, and he even nuked you to backed it up so it's not really fake.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 02:08 GMT

#2625

I don't think he would help certify Marv as town that early. That's like giving free credentials to a really good scum-hunter, so people would listen to him, when you want people to doubt him.

And don't know you town Rayn is really bad 80% of the time as town.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 02:15 GMT

#2627

When is the last time Rayn has ever led a scum lynch?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 02:15 GMT

#2628

He's like the definition of a tunneler, sort of like how you are doing now

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 04:24 GMT

#2635

Vayne what was the purpose of your smurf?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:35 GMT

#2652

I really feel like Vayne is just playing me, even superior, but I'm going to give a town read to him, at least to help narrow down to find players who are playing scummy rather then scum players who are playing like town.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:36 GMT

#2653

I read his posts and they make sense without being all right, his posts make sense from a chronological order, I liked his in-depth end post in case he got shot, and wait Vayne you got targeted by scum at night?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:39 GMT

#2654

Vayne do you still have a town read on Seuss?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:40 GMT

#2656

I'm probably totally wrong but that's okay, if I'm wrong I'll just improve as a person and player after the game.

Promethelax
WaveofShadow
Pandain
[UoN]Sentinel
Oatsmaster
Koshi
strongandbig
OOHCHILD
marvellosity
Seuss Onegu
Clarity_nl
HotCottonCandy
raynpelikoneet

So ideally, there you have it. Assuming 3 scum and an SK, that's it.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:41 GMT

#2657

Kush I thought you thought I was scum

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:44 GMT

#2660

I think you would be quite something to know you in private life [/spoiler] Kush.[/spoiler]

+10000 for anyone who gets the reference

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:46 GMT

#2662

On October 30 2013 02:58 HotCottonCandy wrote:
Seuss is trying way too hard for me to vote him, changed my mind on that. Really doubt a newer player could be so quick on his feet as scum. So are we just lynching WoS? I dont know about this really. I think pandain or sentinel is better honestly. They are both in that twilight zone of low level town read but everyone refuses to vote for him for whatever reason.

You said this. What made you change, and what were you referring to? Also why is Koshi town, despite his post level I find his contributions pretty lackluster even considering what Koshi normally spams.

Do you also have a post why Oats is scum?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:47 GMT

#2663

On November 01 2013 14:46 HotCottonCandy wrote:
and yea pandain I got targeted by a minor scum role. just got rid of my ability to do anything with ## in front of it except vote, not that big of a deal really.

I think it's quite important. I very very heavily doubt SK has that sort of ability as it wouldn't fit. So assuming town doesn't claim about that, it proves you're town.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

November 01 2013 05:49 GMT

#2667

What's your role, Kush. Since we know what it is and I doubt you would get shot if you were anything but a Doctor or medic.