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On October 24 2013 13:44 Mocsta wrote:
Then as bh said. Both are town.
No one has cc'd jat so he is confirmed.
Hmmm only thing going for onegu is that et pushed him. I'm going to have to review this.. onegu was scum in the desert game with marv right??
The et/onegu thong could be lime stutters pushing kush in noir. Real case cos it was real.
I give that a quick read. Maybe onegu is the best lynch for today.
Are you considering Onegu as a lynch because scum made a case on him? lol..
Mocsta wtf?
-rayn
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Auto-Correct I suppose. I'm going to read his filter.
Seriously, whats with this game and delurks when called out.
Today, Chairman + Onegu only open mouth cos they have been called out.
sigh
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My vote isn't moving. He is the most anti-town player in the game, possibly ever game if he always plays like he did in Liar Game, and there's a red check on him. Onegu isn't mafia.
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Anyways.
Onegu isn't scum
[Desert Mini - Mafia]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Onegu&view=all
This filter reads as quite distant and removed - whilst lurking.
[Hogwarts - ?Town?]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Onegu&view=all
Still lurking, but is just more direct and expansive in thought.
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damn you ninja'ing me syllo
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Also,
I know Cephiro for late Day1 was flavour du jour; however, considering ETs stance towards Pandain, to me at least, it suggests ET is one who does not like to bus Day1.
For someone against bussing, he seems to be throwing a fair bit into Cephiro?
On October 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Cephiro said the chance that he skimmed the thread but nothing too bad happened, that there is a 91% chance that 6 scummers are in 2 houses or less (I guess he means 9%), and that keeping things in QT only is beneficial for mafia for that reason. On October 17 2013 20:17 EchelonTee wrote:
isn't Cephiro a strong town player? no posts in thread yet posts in QT?
???
The insertion of "town" reads as a dangling carrot to cast doubt.
The end part of ET filter is joining the Cephiro wagon.
I still expect Cephiro to flip scum.. just that it will be 3rd party, definitely not mafia.
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On October 17 2013 15:35 Pandain wrote:The problem with lurkers is even if they have a good reason to lurk more often then not town players try to overcome their being disadvantaged from lurking while scum players will embrace it and act dumb. I have played for instance with the two players in my house Cephiro and Stutters and they both purposely lurked in Noir. The fact they could be asleep is also offset by the fact that Cephiro recently made a long post that clearly showed thought yet put off contributing in thread. Cephiro would you like to explain that? I have a town read on Grack because he is embracing his role but is still making some good points, but he is making a really weird point about not contributing which is really nonsensical to me. There could be a scum motivation to it, such as if his house is only him and therefore he doesn't want to help contribute, or there is the more likely instance that he simply hasn't thought it through. I want to eliminate the possibilities. Skanjab I have a town read on and I don't have a good read on Toad yet. Was your intent with this post to pressure me or are you serious; you've been looking for flaws where there really aren't any and it's contradicting with what I think you would be doing in looking for actually suspicious people. You don't think StorrZerg, being an esports mafia veteran taking a back seat in his first game of forum mafia is suspicious? You are putting assumptions about what I'm doing without any real logic, and I don't see any town reason. Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? If you say this, is any response really going to help you? You say I left so much out, do you really expect me to put everything? You set higher standards for me then what is expected and I am interested in why. I also don't get this.
Firstly, Pandain gives out a town read to Grack for roleplaying early on (several times).
And then gives Skanjab a town read with no foundation.
Note, ETs position on Skanjab:
On October 17 2013 20:07 EchelonTee wrote:raynpelikonoshiShow nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Skanjab1sOn October 17 2013 06:25 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:22 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##vote: Skanjab1s
Bring it on slytherin scum State your house, challenger, and prepare to see it fall. "guis I am town because I don't know yet the compositions of each House' On October 17 2013 06:51 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. There is actually a lot to get out of that, if there was 1 scum in each house it would make it a hell of a lot easier to find the scum. If the answer had been "yes" then we'd get like, 5 conftown every scum lynch. "guis I am town because I have no clue how many scums there are" His first accusation has very weak basis. skanjab was clearly roleplaying and rayne+kosh use that as a reason for scum? And next he uses skanjab's inability to read the OP as a reason for scumminess. In fact, I would argue scum is much more likely to closely read the OP to not make mistakes like that, as they have a more involved role within the game. I find people make arguements of "oh, this person is trying to fake noob towniesness!" when in fact there are just a lot of noob townies around. He doesn't develop the argumenet further from this, just lets the vote lie. I'm tired as hell and have to sleep will try and post more tomorrow.
I find it odd that pandain does not state Skanjab is town for roleplaying; otherwise, given Skanjabs sketchy start, its hard to comprehend where such a hard read comes from. This is exacerbated by ET stating that Skanjab was "clearly roleplaying" and then makes a counter-case on Koshi - which is a problem because at no point does he indicate a read on Skanjab.
i.e. Without indicating that Skanjab is a town read; ET actions come across as a chainsaw defense of Skanjab.
Lastly,
I still haven't read Holyflare filter,
but his interactions with Pandain above read pretty genuine to me. As in, Pandain is trying to dodge him as much as possible in an authentic manner.
Assuming Storr + Matt are town; I prefer Hopeless1der as scum > Holyflare just based on that interaction.
I dont think the potion is that big a deal; as it could be a way for mafia to have a medic save (to block the Palmar dayvig) etc.
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Mafia would have given the potion away on n1. When I received potion, I also got a PM telling exactly what it does. He can next give the "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion. These potions make absolutely no sense for mafia, especially considering the person who gets the potion is told what they do.
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Correcion: when I drank the potion I was told what it did.
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Also supporting Hopeless1der
On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that.
Pandain already had a vote on Mattchew and set himself up to vote Cephiro.
What is the motivation for pandain to 'cockblock' LastArgument regarding Hopeless1der?
If Hopeless1der is town, he is preventing an easy mislynch for a valid argument. It does not make any sense for this action to occur.
Further, I wrote cockblock instead of criticise, as Pandain phrases his counter-argument in a way that does not actually promote further discussion. i.e. his statements thought questions, are phrased rhetorically.
Lastly, Pandain chooses to interject at a pivotal time, yet, does not actually state what his read on Hopeless1der is. He is merely being an "observer providing commentary" - again, why do this to prevent a mislynch?
What does make sense is if Pandain was defending Hopeless1der.
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On October 24 2013 16:32 syllogism wrote:
Mafia would have given the potion away on n1. When I received potion, I also got a PM telling exactly what it does. He can next give the "if target dies they live another 24 hours" potion. These potions make absolutely no sense for mafia, especially considering the person who gets the potion is told what they do.
Yeah, i forgot about that..
In fairness: We don't know for certain that "resurrection' potion exists. - I see your point of view though.
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Fuck this. Don't care anymore
Just read chair filter. He's scum.. first two posts are so scummy.
Ceph than chair. That's what 72hrs... No wonder I'm over this.
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Cephiro, CR and Hufflescum as last 3 sound cool.
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Cephiro, Skanjab, holyflare is possible if Grack is town.
Cephiro, CR, Grack when Grack is scum.
Grack you are the key. Cephiro must be scum though. Or SK. But I think scum. The only thing I saw from Cephiro is 1 copcheck on us (because the mattchew "check" is not proven, there was no breadcrumb about his role like when he knew I had Candy), and then the thingies with the coins. Which is the scum masoner compared to Storrzerg town Masoner?
Got to say Hosts did quite a good job creating these roles. Game isn't over yet but I like what I am seeing.
Ohyeah, and I can believe 2 docs now. There was 3 KP for scum if you count the 0.5kp guys. Just hilarious that they died by Mr. Snowman. Bad play by scum there tbh.
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Did you give anyone candy on n1?
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I've been re-reading our QT, and the very first post Yamato made was him getting mad at my suggestion that some of the players in our house were going to be inactive. He said that he is probably the most profilic poster of us all. That is, he suggested that he was going to be very active. There is really no way he isn't mafia.
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On October 24 2013 18:47 syllogism wrote:
Did you give anyone candy on n1?
Yes ourselves, but we got back that LoneMeow did an night action.
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So I was a bit confused about the VA modkill, and now I see he was modkilled for not using Protego. Is that a joke or do we have a claim from somebody what it means?
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He was modkilled for getting temp banned from TL
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On October 24 2013 19:03 syllogism wrote:
He was modkilled for getting temp banned from TL
But he would be able to vote on the next day and he could post in the QT. So the Protego thing is a joke?
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EPT
