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I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.
My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.
TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.
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So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt?
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My townreads on people are not based on their actions (=actions towards other players in general, scumreads and shit), but based on their behavior in general. Oats and VE behave differently as scum than they do as town, whatever they say. It has nothing to do what they say, it has to do how they say things and why.
I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around.
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Fuck is there a single person who actually reads the thread.... This is so incredibly dumb..
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What's the point of me posting when you guys don't even fucking read what i post.?
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That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful.
That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you.
Is it so hard to understand?
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Read my last post and think again what you are saying.
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On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same?
No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play.
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On October 01 2013 23:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Read my last post and think again what you are saying. I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read.
You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote:
I think Palmar is town.
at work BTW so no more posting So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out?
I never assumed anything about why yamato called you town. That's why i said the read on you was surreal.
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What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams.
Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS).
That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times.
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When the fuck have i called Palmar town?
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I am not tunneling you, i am not trying to lynch you. I am basically defending myself because you are calling me out for shitty reasons.
Could you now give an answer to why Vayne is not town and why Pandain is?
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On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?
Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that.
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I have argued a lot on D1. You are just ignoring me, as other people do too, which makes me not want to do anything on D2.
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BH's reasons were purely OMGUS.
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When Pandain made his case on yamato there was already a thread sentiment that was turning towards yamato lynch. The case has merit but does not make Pandain town.
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Anyone who thinks Vayne is scum is either really stupid or scum. Vayne is totally town.
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On October 02 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game? Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that. So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play. Deal?
You can lynch me if people promise to lynch you on D3 in case i flip town. Deal?
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I'll tell who is scum before the deadline. Gotta go shop groceries, then i read the whole thread and find scum.
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First scum after Palmar - ShiaoPi.
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