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On October 05 2013 00:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:28 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except Pandain, there is a connection between him and SnB.
SnB defended FT quite a bit in FT -- ShiaoPi lynch last day. And scum only defend scumbuddies! They never defend townies.
On October 05 2013 00:14 Palmar wrote:
btw, planning a voteswing is usually an awful idea. I know I should probably not be arguing this as said voteswing most likely would be onto me, but if I'm FT and reading this thread right now, I just don't post anything, hope town voteswings and post my vote right at the deadline. He's dead anyway and it stops town from usefulness for another cycle.
He has already posted this cycle, so he is very much aware of this game. Trying not to play the "toss everything Palmar says on the scummy pile" game, but this statement is just lazy/bad/anti-town. I guarantee you FT doesn't have magical powers where his being alive prevents people from posting, from reading, from doing anything. If he survives another 18,000 nights, we'll all have the capacity to read and post. Sure, but motivation goes down when you're just default-lynching. Discussion decreases too. I cba going back to other games where there is a default lynch (cop check, confirmed scum etc) to see if I'm actually right, but I have a strong feeling it does. That's due to player behavior, not the game itself. I'll MS Paint my ass off if it motivates anyone. Or maybe people can find it within themselves to go hunt the other scum, or to read the filters they haven't read (cough cough), or just to show up.
I agree that it's the usual case, but I think it's a lazy justification for doing nothing.
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We have multiple soft-claimed cops afaik.
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On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.
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On October 05 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list. So should we in your opinion discuss them -- Koshi? In case you are right one of them has to be mafia right? I don't think so, at least not yet.
People can be doing it for fun. People can be doing it to try and support their reads, make it look like they might come from cops. People can be doing it as townies to draw shots.
Rather we just not overly worry about the cop for now and hope the cop isn't me and maybe claims at some decent time to be able to give information to thread and not die with it. Don't think that's a now thing though, and I don't think we have to hunt.
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On October 05 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote:On October 05 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 05 2013 00:46 Pandain wrote:
Lets not talk about cop claims except to say no one has really claimed cop.
Palmar I picked up on Koshi too but why mention it? He obviously didn't get shot by scum last night so why bring it to their attention? Because it was so obvious noone could have possibly missed it. And yeah, he has basically claimed cop. Except apparently scum did. Maybe scum team is bad? Why point it out. I see you using it to indirectly justify a town read on Rayn but he isn't getting lynched so there was no reason to talk about it. That's a major reason Austin is town to me for downplaying it I am talking about his claim this phase, not on N2. Why do you think everyone thinks Palmar is scum but noone is actyually willing to lynch him? Because people look at their original reads and think they must be right. Like VE's "less townie" on Palmar, I think people liked his early play and aren't taking a fresh look at his play in full.
Personal theory.
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On October 05 2013 00:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote:
Because a palmar lynch is bad Why? Why the fuck everyone says so? Scum lynch is good. There's literally like no reason Palmar is scum except for that vote switch which only means anything if FT is scum. That is, for some of us, entirely irrelevant to Palmar's alignment. There are other reasons. They are posted in the thread.
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You realize that if this is true and you only have...2 townies, everyone who is not them and townie now know 3 townies. That's like1/3 to 1/2 (after tonight) of the town confirmedish. Not a waste. Besides, we should win by scumhunting and not by cop.
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I also think I trust this claim, don't think scum has great reason to claim except to hope and draw a counterclaim, which doesn't seem like something that needs doing right at this moment, so late in a day.
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On October 05 2013 01:02 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:55 Pandain wrote:On October 05 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote:
Because a palmar lynch is bad Why? Why the fuck everyone says so? Scum lynch is good. There's literally like no reason Palmar is scum except for that vote switch which only means anything if FT is scum. That is, for some of us, entirely irrelevant to Palmar's alignment. There are other reasons. They are posted in the thread. They are all bad. Even my own reasons are weak and can be attributed to him being bad which sorry Palmar I honestly think you are playing bad right now. He was always a troll and is a troll. "Bad" and "Troll" are giant continents of mafia play. Palmar's activity, being focused on things that don't matter and NOT on scumhunting, puts him in like...the Mafia Siberia or Mafia Indian Subcontinent of Bad/Troll Asia.
Whereas other people can troll but be in Town Southeast Asia of Troll Asia.
I like picturing that on a map but I don't think it makes much sense written out and there are less stupid ways to say that but screw it.
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On October 05 2013 01:07 Pandain wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 01:05 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 01:02 Pandain wrote:On October 05 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 00:55 Pandain wrote:On October 05 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 05 2013 00:54 Pandain wrote:
Because a palmar lynch is bad Why? Why the fuck everyone says so? Scum lynch is good. There's literally like no reason Palmar is scum except for that vote switch which only means anything if FT is scum. That is, for some of us, entirely irrelevant to Palmar's alignment. There are other reasons. They are posted in the thread. They are all bad. Even my own reasons are weak and can be attributed to him being bad which sorry Palmar I honestly think you are playing bad right now. He was always a troll and is a troll. "Bad" and "Troll" are giant continents of mafia play. Palmar's activity, being focused on things that don't matter and NOT on scumhunting, puts him in like...the Mafia Siberia or Mafia Indian Subcontinent of Bad/Troll Asia. Whereas other people can troll but be in Town Southeast Asia of Troll Asia. I mean the reasons why he is scum are bad. I think the main thing is a disconnect between him posting and appearing active and yet not having an active role is the main point of concern, but that isn't enough to lynch him today. do you agree with me yet that FT is town? I like picturing that on a map but I don't think it makes much sense written out and there are less stupid ways to say that but screw it. And Koshi this is day three now and Vayne is on page 8 of his filter You should go back and read D2 and early N2. I defended FT on some of the things you pulled out today. I currently think he's town, but not as strongly as before.
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Pandain, honest assessment.
Do you think that you are changing anyone's mind on VA, as far as getting him to be the numbah won ichiban lynch choice today? Do you think that you have or are going to?
If no, I think you need to step back just a bit. You are dominating thread, and it doesn't matter how YOU look. It's drowning out other posts, other things, and if it's drowning out the rest of the game while not actually changing anyone's mind on anything, it's not good right now, no matter how much you want to lynch VA.
If yes, keep it up, I guess. I get what you're trying to do, but there are....externalities. You're not just posting your thoughts, not just trying to convince people, you're dominating the discussion and that has effects on the readability of the thread and the visibility of other posters.
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If nothing else, you keep throwing out solstice. Is there something specific in his filter that makes you want to lynch solstice today? What is it that puts him in your second tier of lynches?
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As best I can tell, it's 5/5/1 right now, FirmTofu/Palmar/VA.
FirmTofu hit 5 first.
CR is on VA, FT and VE still no votes? I think that's correct.
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Nah, looks like I counted a vote of rayn's as yours, you had posted right beneath him. 5/4/2 with 2 not voting? Given that there are 13 people alive, not 12, my earlier count was wrizzong.
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CR or someone else, can you point me to your other mafia games?
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where your = CR's as far as the "someone else" is concerned. Profile full of a bunch of, gasp, non-mafia posts
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nmnm. Found noir and newbie XLVII.
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Yeah. I just want to look over those other games. When I start making lists, he's in this middle grouping and I need to pull some of those folks one way or another.
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WoS, talk to me legitimately about solstice. Best post/worst post, did his activity earlier in D3 warm your cockles? Or are you a cold-cockled son of a gun?
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On October 05 2013 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 03:20 austinmcc wrote:
WoS, talk to me legitimately about solstice. Best post/worst post, did his activity earlier in D3 warm your cockles? Or are you a cold-cockled son of a gun? Damn it austin, my cockles are plenty warm, but only by you. I don't think I've looked into solstice yet at all honestly (have I?), mostly because I already have 3 mega-scumreads who I don't think any other person would trump right now. I would not lynch him today---it's too lat in the day to consider imo. I know you haven't looked into him, or at least don't think you have.
But his filter ain't giant. Plox to look.
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