On October 12 2013 23:19 Koshi wrote:
But confirming people as town is superpowerful.

Look at how you, VE were treated because thread knew you were town.

If you look at austin and how much work he put in, in a normal game he would be untouchable just because of that.

Unfortunately for Austin he started playing imbalancebly good when scum kinda needed to bus (D4 ->). It really was more beneficial for Ballers to get themselves killed over Pandain, as it does not reduce scum KP. I PoE'd Vayne after Palmar's flip and WoS on D4 - N4 with his actions/questions to Solstice/CR. Austin was just a "could still be scum and capable of this play" and i can't read Mr.CC. When i could fully trust WoS it helped a lot, and CC not trying was a final nail in his coffin, it would have been wrong in any way to lynch Austin over him, but if CC flipped town i would have lynched Austin next.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 14:24 GMT

#6110

On October 12 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:

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Palmar didn't but FT being afk helped town there.

They both did claim scum with Pandain at the start of the game. :D

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 14:34 GMT

#6113

Actually what most bothered me about Austin was him not trying reading Pandain. He did a lot of good and spot on filter dives and i was like "dude, look at Pandain, this is something you just can't miss, why won't you do it...?"

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 14:48 GMT

#6116

lol phagga, look at the answers to the post you quoted from me. :D
Oats: "you so bad"
Austin: "let's talk about something else" -> then on D3 makes the exact same case. :D

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 14:51 GMT

#6117

On October 12 2013 23:48 phagga wrote:
Also, I think some towns are hard to lead. While most townies are looking for a leader (which makes them susceptible to scum manipulations), there are some who want to do just their own thing. Vayne is a good example of the latter, and I think you wasted too much time trying to get him to do more (after all, you know how he plays) while also being unnecessary aggressive towards him. It was ok that you started ignoring him for a while, but you should have done that much earlier and concentrate on other players.

This is what most people go wrong with Vayne. That just doesn't work. He does stuff and interacts with you if you do it right. But never ever be aggressive or threaten him. He is usually quite spot on with his reads but how to interact with him is the question here, and being aggressive is not the answer.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 14:56 GMT

#6119

On October 12 2013 23:51 phagga wrote:
Oh yeah, right, being unnecessarily aggressive was also a thing.

WHY CAN'T I MAKE A SENSE OF THIS ANYMORE!

I had it all in my head this week on what I wanted to say about your early game and did not write it down, and now I can't get it together anymore

My early game was trying to read Palmar and when i realized he was probably scum trying to get him lynched but i am so bad at convincing people.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 16:46 GMT

#6123

Thanks Sentinel, phagga and cakepie for hosting.
I have to say this was one of the most funniest and enjoyable games i have ever played.

Also thanks to all the players, was fun!

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 17:34 GMT

#6127

WoS please please play like you did from N1 -> every game from now on so we can murder scum in every game.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 17:50 GMT

#6129

You were all confirmed town, especially after D3.
This:

On October 10 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.

Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.

WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!

So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 17:58 GMT

#6131

Because i am dumb and paranoid.

raynpelikoneet

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October 12 2013 18:24 GMT

#6135

On October 13 2013 03:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again

But that was a good game

Never ever claim scum. There is no way it is going to help you. You could have used some coaching in scum QT, other than that you did fine, not getting lynchedon early days and looked townie to many people. If you do not know what to do, never refrain from posting, never apologize about anything, never give up. Ask advice from your scumbuddies and post. If you think you look bad you can even bus your teammates hardcore because nobody is going to believe you anyways, at worst you or your buddy gets lynched and the other one of you gains credit.

Now, when you claimed scum, everything you said was treated as WIFOM.