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Mr. Cheesecake's case on ChairmanRay:
On October 06 2013 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.
I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.
Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.
Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.
Just for now
##Vote: Koshi
I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG. Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip) Next post: wtf? This made me LOL: Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here  . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow.
Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.##Vote: FirmTofu Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life. CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'.... Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.
He quotes three posts that give him scum feelings on CR.
Problem 1:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I'm townreading CR for this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 06:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh shit! I didn't get lynched on day 1 this time. I think it's pretty clear that I'm mafia. This will never happen if I'm town. Chairman Ray has been the victim of D1 mislynches in his first two games. If he's mafia this game, I'd believe that he'd be even more cautious of the noose. I don't know of many players who, on their first scum game, would make a joke like this. This is a joke post that is null if a player like myself posted it, but for a noob like CR I'm leaning townie.
Notice the timestamps. Before this CC has not read CR in any way. Two of his posts that now make CR scum have been posted before CC puts out his town read on CR. How are they now scummy? They were not before.
Problem 2:
The last quote of CR. It's been 36 hours since that post and Mr.CC has not mentioned CR in any way in his filter in that time frame. He has wanted to lynch solstice, prefers Oats lynch, Pandain is ok. Not a single mention of CR.
This "case" looks like it's fabricated, and all in all is really weak.
Leaning on bus.
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And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.
Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.
WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!
So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.
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Oh WoS, then you don't get the trick credit. I was waiting someone of the non-confirmed's to ask that. :D
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On October 10 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
idk its tough. I wouldn't say austin played a good game by any stretch. He looks scummy as fuck in the way he talks about/interacts with the lurkers, especially CR and s0lstice who is the teammate we are looking for. He blatantly refused to see why pandain was scum. There is a lot of things that don't add up for him. Tunneling me and refusing to see 100% scum doesn't exactly make me go, oh yea dudes tOwN!
It does not matter Vayne. We can lynch both CC and Austin.
You are gonna be in LYLO with WoS/Austin (if CC is in fact town). WoS just said he'll lynch Austin. WoS thinks you are town.
No worries.
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Actually fuck no. If scum have 2 KP tonight we do not have a mislynch. hmmzz..
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Wait i really need to think about this now.
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WoS and VA do you guys have your vests?
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Well what the hell, Austin and CC too?
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Because if every townie has their vest besides VE, there is not gonna be 2 NK's. :D
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On October 10 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
both scum teams were pushing me lolZ
rofl that's correct. :D
I will not let you get lynched when you are town.
*inb4 you endgame me again*
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On September 28 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote:On September 28 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote:
You are a the Joker. I am Batman. Good cop bad cop, remember. Bros. Who am I? Good cop.
This is probably the most hilarious post i have ever made in a mafia game, knowing what has happened since..
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I dunno Vayne, why did you say "CR did not hold his shot"?
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tbh i do not think you would make that kinda slip as scum as you usually like to analyze the night kills as town. Would be easier to analyze them as scum and not say stupid stuff. :p
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What is your opinion, who shot who during nights Vayne?
Do you think scum have 2 KP the following night or not?
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So if Pandain used drive-by on N3, wouldn't the 2 kills from N4 be Banger kills?
And therefore the other team would have 2 KP (as drive-by'ing on N4).
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I actually think both of the kills are from Pandain. If Koshi bussed he would have prolly bussed himself with Austin (as i told him to, before the very end of night phase). Therefore hitting Koshi is safe for Pandain (not for the other team if Austin is scum). Oats was a safe kill too for Pandain, actually i am pretty sure Pandain hit Oats. Because you don't want the kills to overlap, and VE had no vest left, Pandain would know if the other team has 1 or 2 KP. They would hit VE -> me most likely.
I was actually trying to mindfuck Koshi into bussing me (or shooting scum). Therefore, 2 KP next night does not matter. :D
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yeah i actually didn't vest on N3 or N4.
I thought both teams would drive-by N3.
And i thought VE (as he had no vest) and Koshi were more likely targets on N4.
So if all townies have their vests besides VE, scum can't kill 2 people even if they have 2 KP.
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Actually, WoS, CC and Austin.
The two of you who are town do not tell if you have vests or not. Let's the scum guess. :D
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On October 10 2013 01:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
ok dude so lets see
Blazinghand kill ---> bangers
hiro kill ----> bangers
grack/snb kills ---> ballers
hiro had snb/panda on his shit list, I think this makes the most sense. time to see why snb/grack died
I think the Pandain <--> BH fixation makes BH being killed by them.
grack was all over Palmar --> bangers too.
Makes sense?
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I think SnB was probably a failed bluesnipe.
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