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On October 10 2013 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about austin? If they're different teams, then solstice convinces his team that Cheese is the other team.
So we need a solstice/cr/x team where x can be convinced that cheese is mafia.
Like, unless it's mega mega next level, it makes VA look decent because VA has been calling pandain the last MCB. So if the whole thing is REAL, then solstice would have to convince his scumteam, including VA, that cheese and not pandain was the last MCB. Cuz it appears that VA would be pushing to contact pandain.
I think CR or WoS is the last MCB, but if I were scum I'd be on CR's team. So I'd be pushing for WoS and solstice would be pushing cheese, if I were mafia.
In this scenario, cheese is town and it's not fake, so he's out.
Which leaves WoS. Which I don't really like.
So either solstice is already setting things in motion N3
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VA is calling Pandain last MCB but solstice convinces him otherwise (or VA faking the read)
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Wos is mafia
OR (for you guys)
I am calling WoS mafia but solstice convinces me otherwise (or me faking the read)
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Where "different teams" in the first bit means mafia solstice and town cheese.
See what I'm saying? If the phone thing is LEGIT, then solstice convinces his team that Cheese is the guy they need to contact.
So if it's legit, for me, VA looks better because VA would have been arguing for Pandain last MCB, contact Pandain, and VA appears to be a bit hardheaded and is fine with arguing forever. So I don't see the team contacting Cheese unless VA is faking his read on Pandain as last MCB.
Which means that, for me, if Cheese is actually town and the phone thing is legit, it points to WoS being mafia. Which, again, ... I don't like.
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Checking now, but i THINK that all of solstice's comments on cheese START N3.
So he DOES comment on cheese, but it looks like it's not throughout the game, and only the night right BEFORE the payphone claim.
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On October 10 2013 09:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know, in spite of those two large texts, I'm failing to see any kind of conclusions at all from you on the matter austin.
CONCLUSIONS:
IF THE PAY PHONE THING IS LEGIT THEN IT IMPLICATES WoS
IF THE PAY PHONE THING IS NOT LEGIT THEN CHEESE IS THE MAFIA ALREADY SO NO CONCLUSIONS ARE NEEDED
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On October 10 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
THAT'S NOT A CONCLUSION THOSE ARE TWO OPTIONS AND YOU DON'T SAY WHICH YOU BELIEVE TO BE CORRECT, HENCE NOT A CONCLUSION WHICH IS WHY I'M READING OVER THE SOLSTICE TIMING CUZ I WANT TO CHECK SOMETHING.
THOSE ARE TWO CONCLUSIONS, JUST NOT A SINGLE CONCLUSION.
Like, look at his filter.
On October 05 2013 05:26 cakepie wrote:
N03
SOUND ONLY
Palmar the Motor City Banger suffered from severe food poisoning after eating the nightpost flavor! He pukes all over the place! Ewww. Oh no, FirmTofu didn't manage to get out of the way and has drowned in vomit! It is now Night 3. Send all night actions to all 3 hosts: cakepie, phagga, and Sentinel. Night ends in
Night starts 10/5 5:26
s0lstice mentions cheese in his FIRST actual post:On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight.
AND THEN NEVER COMMENTS ON HIM AGAIN UNTIL N3 WHEN HE'S SUDDENLY SOLSTICE'S NUMBAH ONE CONTACT READ
Which, to me, supports the idea that the read is faked. It's prepped on N3, right when the phone call would happen, but he never never never does anything about cheese beforehand.
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WHICH FOR YOU VE MEANS THAT I THINK THE READ IS FAKED. IT POPS OUT OF NOWHERE RIGHT WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
I CAN GIVE YOU TWO OPTIONS, AND BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WoS IS SUPER MAFIA, I REJECT THAT OPTION AND CHOOSE THE "IT IS FAKE" OPTION
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Because I also reject the option that solstice convinces VA to contact cheesecake, rather than VA convincing solstice to contact pandain.
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On October 10 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:So you're going with Cheese for mafia. Do you disagree with my point here? Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 06 2013 13:09 s0Lstice wrote:On October 06 2013 13:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 06 2013 13:03 s0Lstice wrote:On October 06 2013 13:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 06 2013 12:59 s0Lstice wrote:On October 06 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
i still think s0lstice is faking, I just have no clue why he's fakeclaiming.
And that makes me scared. You should be scared because this is not a fake-claim. Look me right in the strawberry topping and tell me this isn't a fakeclaim. Why didn't you out as soon as you saw the koshi fakeclaim? One more time for me. Because I was thunderstruck. Someone claiming your role is a very unique shock. I took time to think it through, and like I said, for better or ill, I ended up on Koshi town because it would be a pretty crazy play for mafia. I honestly thought that he would eventually come clean, but I didn't know the when. So from your PoV he was going to draw a mafia shot? So is Koshi Town or Mafia for you right now? He confirmed Oats. If he were town id think he'd fess up by now to the fakeclaiming. Why did Koshi fakeclaim when he did as mafia??? Yes to the bolded. I think Koshi is scum. There's just not room for a town him. He has also done jack shit as a conf town, and has been riding on his claim. It makes a lot of sense for him if he knew that eventually the truth was gonna come out. Like, the interactions between s0L and Cheese sway between s0L talking to "confirmed scum" and s0L trying to convince a town Cheese. There's very little chance this is scum-scum from the same team imo. I agree that solstice and cheese have interactions that don't make them look connected. However, those actions ONLY begin during N3, the cycle right when the payphone would be going through. Which makes them slightly more suspect than if solstice had been pushing this read for a while.
In the same way, cheese mentions solstice once on D3 as an option, behind oats/pandain - On October 04 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:> Says he is playing game. > Doesn't post. A policy lynch at worst here. I'd enjoy a FT lynch because he is scummy and makes promises but doesn't follow up on them. Association with SnB. Votes from yesterday. All the things. Basically FT is one of those people that if we don't lynch, he's going to do nothing to remedy my scumread on him and I'm going to worry all game long if he is mafia or not. Aside from FT: Oats/pandain are probably scum somewhere between the teams. Maybe Solstice based on gut. I like Koshi's reads so he's totes town right now. A klondike bar could not be given to read Rayn so please check/shoot/modkill him so I'm not paranoid as hell about his alignment. Currently filtering Vayne to see what shenannies are to be had.
But come N3, he wants to blow solstice up all of a sudden - On October 05 2013 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
We cab lynch solstice or oats tmrw right?
Maybe pandain... My epeen needs a boost On October 05 2013 06:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Solstice so paranoid about getting lynched.
Let's lynch him!
Whatever, you can read my thoughts VE.
I think that the conclusions you should be drawing from payphone legit, solstice scum, cheese town, do not fit the game as well as the conclusions to be drawn from payphone fake.
Like, while VA has been scummy for me, he's being hardheaded and arguing and not giving up and being a dick. If solstice and CR are in a QT with that guy, solstice isn't convincing VA that cheesecake is the last MCB. VA will say he's an idiot and dumb and his points are invalid, and tell solstice that pandain is the last MCB and they are contacting pandain.
And WoS looked weird for his palmar stuff, but has been active and more or less townie and unless someone has a smoking gun on him, we're all looking elsewhere.
So if I don't like the conclusion I draw from the payphone being real, "solstice convinces VA to contact cheese over pandain," I have to conclude that the payphone is fake. The suspicions aren't enough to convince me otherwise, because all of a sudden night hits and BOOM, both suspect the other.
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Is this another thing that only makes sense in my head, or do you see what I'm saying?
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On October 10 2013 09:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
as an aside, thats completely wrong austin, I treat my team a lot different then when I'm playing solo. Check any of my scum QTs. I usually am the guy willing to listen to everyone's side and reason it out.
Okay. That's good to know and weakens/negates all my caps.
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Well, you're a bit argumentative in thread.
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You're argumentative enough that I assume you go to old folks' homes and beat them with their canes when they tell you they used to walk to school barefoot and uphill both ways. 
Thread, QT, IRL, just been assuming.
Generally I'm not, but have been arguing with you here, so probably shouldn't assume.
What games have you been scum in, just so I can peek?
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Silent VE, see what I'm saying?
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On October 10 2013 10:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, there was a large chunk where s0L wasn't even in the game - he was one of the more inactive players in the game, and he REPLACED an inactive.
Given that, I don't think the timing of his push on Cheese means all that much. That, and I don't think they're on a scumteam based on the interactions I saw. True on the inactive bit.
I do see more discussion from vayne about kill targets and such than I was expecting. Even just from the last couple chunks of QT posts of his scum games, he's presenting multiple options, asking for input, even from kush...
So ... the caps aren't as convincing as I'd like.
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Checking one more timing thing on solstice/cheese right now. Want to see if he responded to me attacking cheese early D4 because of cheese's post on oats.
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Blech. I don't jump on cheese until the start of D4. I call his post shabby and opportunistic, but I don't attack him as much N3 as I'd thought.
solstice doesn't DO anything with my post, doesn't respond and doesn't talk about that one post of cc's, which I think is his scummiest of the game, but I didn't attack cc enough for me to read much into solstice's lack of comment.
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Yeah, those don't look awesome in relation to solstice being mafia. And my vote stayed on solstice that day, despite not saying anything about him there. I can't make those posts look wonderful.
Look at the full game though. You see me wavering on solstice D4 and suggesting my other mafia buddy as the alternate? You see me...if my team is sacrificing solstice, letting him claim cop rather than go after cc, you see me not just cutting him and letting him go?
This all sounds like WIFOM because you think I might be mafia, but while those interactions with solstice don't look good, I DO have interactions that don't make sense if I'm the third.
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He also HAD posted a good bit more by that point. When I was poking at him, he's got like...15ish total posts. Over N2, he posts some, and he was posting (and collecting votes) on D3 before I come in and vote Palmar.
The whole collecting votes but not mine thing also looks bad for me. But I do like that he's looking more active.
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On October 10 2013 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 10:56 austinmcc wrote:
Yeah, those don't look awesome in relation to solstice being mafia. And my vote stayed on solstice that day, despite not saying anything about him there. I can't make those posts look wonderful.
Look at the full game though. You see me wavering on solstice D4 and suggesting my other mafia buddy as the alternate? You see me...if my team is sacrificing solstice, letting him claim cop rather than go after cc, you see me not just cutting him and letting him go?
This all sounds like WIFOM because you think I might be mafia, but while those interactions with solstice don't look good, I DO have interactions that don't make sense if I'm the third. Yeah but, austin your play has been too townie for you to still be alive at this point. Your posts have been huge and you were all over s0Lstice early on. Logic dictates that you should be dead - that s0Lstice should have feared your textwalls saying he's scum and shot the shit out of you. I mean...spin all the WIFOM you want friend. But be warned that I'm pretty well versed on the subject myself. I can't spin NOT wifom on that. Like, you don't trust me, so anything I say about my own associations is WIFOM, pretty much.
I appreciate the complement, but it turns out I'm not dead. I wasn't around yet on N1. I wasn't a factor yet by N2. By N3, koshi had already claimed cop and confirmed you and rayn. There wasn't exactly a good time for me to get shot IF scum were afraid of me, because by the time I was really poking at them they had to deal with a cop and 2 confirmed towns.
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