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On October 08 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 10:31 Pandain wrote:
Can someone explain why WoS can't be DRB? A lot of the reasons that WoS might be scum are his actions during the day of the Palmar lynch and his read on Palmar. Those are WAY less relevant if he's not on Palmar's team. He looks scummy only via Palmar, and if he's not MCB he wouldn't KNOW that Palmar was scum. If he's not MCB, he COULD be scum, but it's way less likely than too many other folks.
This. The only reason I'm even considering Wave was based on how he acted during the Palmar lynch, and his refusal to consider lynching outside the cops. Now that we know that the fake-claim was from the other team, this makes Wave in particular look much worse because the logic in lynching OUTSIDE the claims was strong enough that Wave should have at least considered it if he's town (by my estimation). He didn't.
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On October 08 2013 10:33 austinmcc wrote:
(Koshi do whatever you want with the night action. You know townies, you know who might be scum, you appear to be able to make good decisions on your own)
This, but I'm fine if you want to take Rayn's suggestion too. Although I suppose shooting me means scum kill you so maybe that's not the best option?
On October 08 2013 10:30 austinmcc wrote:
WoS.
Do you have specific suspicions for last MCB? I know you felt like that was a wild goose chase, but tonight we have solstice being sure scum and oats being sure town. The options have narrowed substantially, and there's another cycle of posts to look through.
I specifically ask because I agree with VE that if you're scum, you're MCB and not DRB. Seeing MCB flip would clear you in my mind (the chance you're DRB is way too low to lynch at over others)
Ugh. I'll try and take a look at some point but I don't trust myself much anymore this game, never mind trying to make association cases which I'm bad at to begin with.
VE, we found scum, I wanted to lynch scum. It's pretty simple. Everyone can make up all the reasoning in the world they want, but in the end it's the simple things that all make sense.
What is simpler about all of my behaviour this game?
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Like, best guess right off the bat is probably CR for MCB just because he'd be doing EXACTLY what is best for the final MCB to do right now.
Hide and be non-threatening to the other scumteam.
Also Austin seems to think so, his reads have been tons better than mine this game, and he may half-have my back right now so I have to latch onto whatever support I can muster atm.
I'll dig for associations later.
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On October 08 2013 10:35 Pandain wrote:
The reasons why WoS is scum aren't just about Palmar, or you didn't read my write-up.
If Vayne is scum, then the connection is equally strong with Vayne as it is with Palmar if not stronger.
I can see him being on either team which is why he's a good lynch. Okay. Amend that statement to "the reasons why I think WoS could be scum," and, afaik, "the reasons why VE thinks WoS could be scum."
Like, I don't mind that his CR read changed somewhat. It now matches mine, which I don't find scummy, and I would HOPE that people are slowly realizing CR has just not contributed for more than a WEEK of play. The no time/busy excuse doesn't hold up for that period of time, and his lack of motivation/care/whatever contrasts heavily with his play in his other two games.
I don't mind that he says you/VA. I'm not sure if he's putting you together, or options (pick one from each set of /s), or what. There have been boatloads of lazy scumteams crafted by people in this game, he's not the first.
His post about me being scummy, but not for "this" makes sense in whatever context he wrote it. Someone called me scummy for something, and WoS dropped that.
I don't think there's much to go on with him being scum, apart from Palmar. We may disagree there. But even if there's SOME scummy stuff in his filter, we're now moving to D5. We're gonna have scummy stuff in filters. And whatever there may be that makes him look scummy, I don't think it looks scummier than CC/VA.
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Hey Wave - you've been wrong about every single lynch in the entire game. Having played with you I know you're not only capable of finding scum, but able to recognize good logic when it appears.
What's the simpler explanation to accept:
Wave is Scum ____
Wave is Town ____
Please check all that apply.
(When you're done making the simplicity argument, I'm willing to have further discussion with you.)
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On October 08 2013 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey Wave - you've been wrong about every single lynch in the entire game. Having played with you I know you're not only capable of finding scum, but able to recognize good logic when it appears.
What's the simpler explanation to accept:
Wave is Scum ____
Wave is Town ____
Please check all that apply.
(When you're done making the simplicity argument, I'm willing to have further discussion with you.)
Would you like me to find you other examples of me being wrong in a lot of games?
lol In my ONLY scumgame I fucking bussed the everloving shit out of my team!
I was the ONLY person who focused JJD throughout the entire game!
The simple explanation is ACTUALLY that I am wrong. I can think of zero reason why it would make sense for me as scum to purposefully be wrong about all of my scumreads and draw attention to myself about that, and basically everything else this game.
Search your feelings, brother.
You know it to be true.
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I refuse to drop that argument because it is what led me to being on the only scumlynch I have been a part of this game, and I didn't get there by sheeping anyone. You can always say it was 'obvious,' of course, but considering all of the discussion being had on the topic, I am happy regarding my play yesterday for making the right play.
The simple play.
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The play that gave scum extra KP (or two!) this nightphase.
The RIGHT play. For scum!
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Thank goodness you added that heart because I was about to drop more f-bombs.
VE, I don't know what else you want me to say about that. I didn't want to take any unnecessary risks. I have been accused 100 times about the same thing. I am not going to change my story.
I am not going to lie about any of my motivations this game or anything I did to make myself look better.
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On October 08 2013 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The play that gave scum extra KP (or two!) this nightphase.
The RIGHT play. For scum! I WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE EVERYONE FEEL THE LOVE.
It's not like WoS was the only person guilty of this. And it's not like the people who didn't care at all about looking for MCB are all scum.
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So WoS, you want Koshi to be alive as conf town instead of you being alive as conf town right?
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I'm just salty because it means that I'm GOING to die tonight. You could have saved me. And you chose the path of darkness. For the town?
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On October 08 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So WoS, you want Koshi to be alive as conf town instead of you being alive as conf town right?
But you won't know if that's what he actually did.
Otherwise I wouldn't mind.
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On October 08 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm just salty because it means that I'm GOING to die tonight. You could have saved me. And you chose the path of darkness. For the town?
Considering scum know your vest is down you were dead anyway.
Even without Bangers that's still 2 KP for the ballers.
Come on.
You're really going to put it all on me?
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Unless koshi has a bus. Or doesn't and they think he do. Or each side thinks the other will. Or they forget to send in actions.
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Well, we don't know for sure that Ballers have the 2kp right? RIGHT?! Taking out the Bangers could have removed one or even TWO KP, and there's a cop to consider, and rayn...
But no, it's not all on you. Your neck is just in squeezin range.
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Everyone feel the friggin' love. I will force you to do so. Mafia gets less love, but still a little, cuz it ain't they faults
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What you're feeling is PRESSURE Wave...not those first-hour votes people like to call "pressure-votes". That shit isn't pressure. THIS is pressure. Being forced to answer questions by people whose opinion you actually HAVE to change.
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