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On October 08 2013 14:22 Pandain wrote:
No, you didn't answer my question.
When it became evident FT was to become modkilled, votes could either go onto Palmar or Vayne. You voted Vayne.
However you did not support that vote or argue for others to vote for Vayne. In essence you had a useless vote and useless voice on someone you were heavily sure was scum.
Explain that please.
So did you.
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So Vayne, do you, WoS or anyone who played in Golden Sun and in Noire remember the difference in how town!Pandain pushes lynches compared to scum!Pandain?
Because i remember him not pushing any lynch in Noire, only arguing against lynches and having his vote on "right places". In Golden Sun i remember HAVING to HAVE TO LYNCH MY 99% townread because some stubborn people would not believe others..
Hmm, which does this game look like?
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Koshi if bussing bypasses roleblock you absolutely need to bus either you or VE with scum.
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Funny because i remember many pushes in this game and none of them have come from Austin.
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What exactly has Austin pushed?
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PANDAIN NEVER TRIED TO GET PALMAR LYNCHED: AND EVEN IF HE HAD DONE SO IT MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE OPPOSING TEAMS!
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And then there is this other point. When SnB flipped NOBOBY would expect Palmar to be his scumbuddy. So, for the opposing scumteam Palmar was likely town.
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On October 08 2013 15:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly has Austin pushed? rayn. I will save anything else for postgame or postflip, but here. Go and read my filter. I pushed Palmar. If you look D3, there are OODLES of posts between Pandain and I. We agree FT is not scum. He wants to lynch VA, I want to lynch Palmar. Look through D3 and watch me push Palmar over FT, and push him pretty hard. I'm trying to get votes off FT way before the modkill nonsense came up, because I was on Palmar that whoooooole day and trying to drum up support FOR palmar, as well as trying to push people OFF FT. Go read N3 and the start of D4. I'm on Chairman Ray. He or WoS is the last MCB, as I see the world, and I start the day off with a CR vote and pushing CR. The cop stuff came around and turned the day into that, but: (1) I was pushing CR scum and CR last MCB during the night; (2) I was pushing CR scum, CR last MCB during the early day; and (3) it seems pretty clear that I was actually pushing to lynch CR over a cop claimer. While (3) wasn't getting traction, I was pushing it, and town would be in a better spot tonight if we HAD lynched CR (again, guaranteed 100% no MCB KP). You know who I pushed D1? NOBODY CUZ I WASN'T IN THE GAME YET You know who I pushed D2? NOT REALLY ANYONE CUZ I WAS CATCHING UP, but I DID make clear posts showing why I thought ShiaoPi and FT were town. If you think I haven't pushed ShiaoPi town, FT town, Palmar scum, oats town, CR scum this game, you're flat wrong and you haven't been reading. It's POSSIBLE that one reason you don't think I've pushed stuff is that I wasn't here at all for D1, and wasn't here for about half of D2. I can't be responsible for not pushing reads during time I wasn't even in the game yet. However, at EVERY CYCLE since I've been caught up, I've both pushed correct lynches and pushed AGAINST mislynches. Seriously. Just read my filter. Read my posts within the game context. Either, both.
I can pull off probably 20 quotes from my/Grack's filter that say exactly same things about Palmar than your case. Also, as i just said, after SnB's flip, if you are scum, Palmar was probably town for you.
Then, on D4. If you are town the idea of lynching CR over Solstice was absolutely horrible. If you are mafia your team has probably concluded that he is the last scum and you have a possibility to save Solstice / look good by "defending" him and pushing another scum. win-win.
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On October 05 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Austin, who's the other soft-claimed coop? I have one in particular in mind. One of the dudes on the player list.
austin who was this and why?
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On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT
You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him?
As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him"
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So do you remember it correctly or not?
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On October 08 2013 15:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 15:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 15:19 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO IF YOU CAN PULL 20 POSTS FROM YOUR FILTER AND GRACK'S FILTER THAT SAY THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THEN WHAT SHOULD THAT TELL YOU1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Like. You're town. Grack was town. IF I WAS PUSHING THINGS IN THE SAME WAY WHAT IS THE LIKELY CONCLUSION ABOUT MY ALIGNMEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT You had Palmar as town before SnB flipped. After that you started pushing him. Why only then? Like, his play was shit the whole D1 and D2. As shitty as N2 and D3. Why magically after SnB's flip you started pushing him? As i see this little thing called "he is probably town so i don't get killed by another scumteam next night and can safely push him" Cuz he continued to do nothing, and he started off D3 by arguing about the ShiaoPi/FT vote swap bit. If you read why I'm scummy on him, the amount of effort he puts into posting about something that matters as little as why he swapped his vote at the end of D2 really highlights the amount of effort he's NOT putting into scumhunting. That's what made Palmar scummy for me --> willing to focus on stuff that doesn't matter, not willing to focus on stuff that does. I can't factor that into a read until he actually makes those posts.
But the fact is Palmar put zero effort into scumhunting on D1 and D2. D1 no effort Palmar should be enough to lynch.
Immediately.
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The only thing Palmar put effort in D1 and D2 was calling me and Grackaroni bad. And me scum.
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What i care about is this:
Scum don't want to call out other scum at the start of the game, even if they figure them out. Because the other team might kill you and you then effectively shit on each others bed.
My problem is this:
When SnB was killed the other scumteam HAS to assume Palmar is town, because the bus was so incredible. Then, magically then, you come up with this Palmar stuff, while on N2 you have him as fucking town. On D4, when there is a Solstice life on the line, you magically come up with Chairman Ray who is ABSOLUTELY MAFIA! Out of fucking nowhere. OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!
That, sir, is a big problem in your play to me.
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Okay i am too tired. I am going to look at this closer tomorrow. Or actually today but i need to sleep for couple of hours..
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Let's keep this simple again.
Austin did want to lynch outside the cops on D4. The plan was terrible. It was absolutely terrible. Read it again if you do not believe me. Terribad. Hell this dude even had his vote on Koshi. He did not know if Koshi or Solstice is mafia, he gives possible scumteams fo cop!Koshi, does not give them for cop!Solstice "because there were so much possible permutations". But still, despite those SO MANY permutations Chairman Ray has to be mafia. Has to be mafia over Solstice whose claim made absolutely zero sense.
That's it, i don't give a fuck if Austin has lynched the other scumteam. It doesn't mean shit. What does mean shit is that he did not want to lynch Solstice and tried to push the lynch elsewhere. I don't give a fuck if the other guy was mafia, because it was a guy who was not in Solstice's team.
It makes no sense, the plan was terrible. Austin is mafia.
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The plan was bad.
The plan would have ensured both of Koshi & Solstice alive on D5. As Koshi would have been roleblocked / Solstice vested.
Suddenly we have 1 confirmed town (VE) instead of 4 (me/VE/Koshi/Oats). Nobody can be trusted.
Austin said we "remove KP by making Sol/Koshi vest or something". Right. We remove KP now too, unless mafia wants Koshi to confirm more townies / shoot scum.
Same outcome, except that we have 4 conf-townies instead of 1.
Bad plan, bad.
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No, the outcome is same. You need to buy items to block Koshi now.
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