On October 07 2013 02:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
austin/pandain/s0lstice nuff said kill em all bye
austin/pandain/s0lstice nuff said kill em all bye
You're missing one.
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On October 07 2013 02:01 VayneAuthority wrote: austin/pandain/s0lstice nuff said kill em all bye You're missing one. | ||
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For fucks sake. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:29 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2013 03:25 Pandain wrote: On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today. What are you doing Tell me why you are so sure I am not the cop. Go. I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2013 03:29 s0Lstice wrote: On October 07 2013 03:25 Pandain wrote: On October 07 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today. What are you doing Tell me why you are so sure I am not the cop. Go. I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take. Bolded is the part that I have the hardest time believing a town-cop would allow. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:50 s0Lstice wrote: and did everyone miss how he clarified how both him and hiro shot someone on N1? do I need to go back and quote it again? Please. I'm having a hard time keeping up. | ||
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Would not a scum s0L have to have sacrificed KP to payphone Cheese? That doesn't make any sense at all does it? Think about it - that means that they're trading one of their members (if they're wrong about Cheese being scum) while at the same time losing out on KP, in exchange for what? | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2013 04:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay hold on hold on. Would not a scum s0L have to have sacrificed KP to payphone Cheese? That doesn't make any sense at all does it? Think about it - that means that they're trading one of their members (if they're wrong about Cheese being scum) while at the same time losing out on KP, in exchange for what? If payphone is 0.5 then no. He could have had 1.5 KP. How? Both teams have 1KP, which doesn't round up. If he sac'd KP then he couldn't have shot. | ||
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The right play in my opinion is lynching the one-man scumteam - deciding who we think that is, and lynching it with fire. In this way we remove 1 KP from the game and 1 player not aligned with town and even if scum hit two people tonight, we still have a chance tomorrow. If we hit town with the lynch the game is over. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2013 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There's 1 guaranteed scum inside the cop claims and if we don't lynch scum today it's game over for town. The right play in my opinion is lynching the one-man scumteam - deciding who we think that is, and lynching it with fire. In this way we remove 1 KP from the game and 1 player not aligned with town and even if scum hit two people tonight, we still have a chance tomorrow. If we hit town with the lynch the game is over. If Koshi had come back and said the cop claim was a fakeclaim I probably would be agreeing to what Austin is suggesting, but VE absolutely has the right of it now. One of Koshi or Solstice is guaranteed scum. You don't get better than a 50% shot. I honestly don't even care if it turns out the scummer here is a member of the non-Bangers. Then you're scum because if it hits anyone other than the Bangers town loses. | ||
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7-1-3 right now I think. If we lynch the scum in the cop claims it's either 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 Assuming worst case (7-1-2) then tonight we could be looking at 3KP if DriveBy was used...making 4-1-2 So the game isn't OVER, per se, but we're definitely in a bad situation assuming scum kill the real cop and 2 of the confirmed town (Me/rayn/Oats if Koshi is cop, Me/Wave if s0L is cop) | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote: I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons: 1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it. 2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on. That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. | ||
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##Vote: s0Lstice I think this is my final answer guys. If I'm wrong, I'm pretty meh about it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote: SEE VE? We agree on so much and have been thinking the same way on this. Y u still gotta think I'm scum? Alphonse. Brother. You've been saying I'm going to lose all game. You've been saying my team isn't good enough to win ALL GAME LONG. You're going to have to excuse my defensiveness against this sentiment. | ||
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6-1-3 or 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 We can't even begin to speculate on the night actions because A) we don't know if s0lstice or Koshi is lying STILL, so we don't know what cop actions are available and B) We still don't know what scum KP is available. So we're still looking for 3 KP tomorrow morning which would leave us: 3-1-3 or 4-0-3 or 4-1-2 Regardless of who is killed, it's safe to say that Koshi and s0L will still be alive tomorrow imo. I don't like these odds. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:10 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote: I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons: 1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it. 2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on. That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. Our night actions do not break the rules by which you are judging me. On my side of the coin, you and WoS are confirmed, except we also killed a scum s&b. I've already explained the thought processes behind why I chose to act the way i did in regards to Koshi. He 'confirmed' you, and then Rayn and oats. I didn't know what I thought of rayn, but I certainly didn't like Oats. This contributed to the change in opinion. I knew that if he indeed was going to be a townie acting as a cop to protect me he'd have to be fabricating night actions. Put yourself in my shoes for a second. Oh s0L. Oh s0L. You have no idea. I've BEEN in your shoes. I've BEEN in crazy fucking claim situations like this before. Did I ever tell you about the time I was a detective and tried to convince town that one of my redchecks that flipped green was actually a DEATHMILLER? If you're town, I can assure you - no one understands the position you're in than me. But what you have to understand is that this all looks terribly suspect, and if you were actually the cop, this is something you would have HAD to factor in. The timing is suspicious, the circumstances are suspicious, EVERYTHING is suspicious about this. Surely you realize this. | ||
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