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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 09 2013 14:04 GMT
#5610
Everyone who wants today to end in 6 hours (24 hours early) send me a PM as soon as possible. If not all people send me a PM it will not happen.

I have not talked this through with Sentinel yet, so even if everyone PMs me there is a small chance it's not gonna happen.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 10 2013 17:39 GMT
#5833
phagga the co-host modkills VisceraEyes and raynpelikoneet for prematurely dying.

+ Show Spoiler +
jk
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 08:58 GMT
#6098
some things.

Props to Pandain to figure out Hiro N2 which led to the Hiro shot:

Pandain
10-02-2013
07:05 AM ET (US) if Koshi is cop(where is that in thread), hiro probably is too. Only one who constantly says is town or hints that without much evidence, everyone else supports rng or points accusations. look at hiro filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...rotagonist&view=all




On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.

My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.


This was a really good post that got ignored.




I actually wanted to say some more about D2 and WoS play but somehow my thoughts are very disconnected right now. perhaps later.




Re: Hosting It was a blast. And I got to write some flavour, yay

Yes, the setup was not perfect. As Cheese already pointed out, it was an error to prioritize bus over roleblock. Roleblock should have the highest priority. Also, I still think we should not let a cop bus himself. I do think that with this two changes alone the game would already be less town favoured, as you can't just claim cop anymore in thread and threat to bus yourself with someone else and it's gonna be unstoppable.

The reason why Precision shot worked so well is because townies barely vested up. I think from 11 VTs only 5 vested up over the whole game? (Rayn, Vayne, VE, Austin, WoS). Perhaps we need a mechanic that prevents PS from confirming more than 2 people?

Another thought, make drive-by increase KP by 0.5 and limit it to single-use.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 14:43 GMT
#6114
On October 12 2013 22:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 17:58 phagga wrote:
some things.

Props to Pandain to figure out Hiro N2 which led to the Hiro shot:

Pandain
10-02-2013
07:05 AM ET (US) if Koshi is cop(where is that in thread), hiro probably is too. Only one who constantly says is town or hints that without much evidence, everyone else supports rng or points accusations. look at hiro filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...rotagonist&view=all




On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.

My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.


This was a really good post that got ignored.




I actually wanted to say some more about D2 and WoS play but somehow my thoughts are very disconnected right now. perhaps later.




Re: Hosting It was a blast. And I got to write some flavour, yay

Yes, the setup was not perfect. As Cheese already pointed out, it was an error to prioritize bus over roleblock. Roleblock should have the highest priority. Also, I still think we should not let a cop bus himself. I do think that with this two changes alone the game would already be less town favoured, as you can't just claim cop anymore in thread and threat to bus yourself with someone else and it's gonna be unstoppable.

The reason why Precision shot worked so well is because townies barely vested up. I think from 11 VTs only 5 vested up over the whole game? (Rayn, Vayne, VE, Austin, WoS). Perhaps we need a mechanic that prevents PS from confirming more than 2 people?

Another thought, make drive-by increase KP by 0.5 and limit it to single-use.

What is it in regards to?
I'm very interested to hear any critiques to my play in order to improve myself.


I noted around D2 how you were mis-using the confidence you have.

You came into the game with a pretty big ego, which is not a problem when used correctly. However, I got the feeling that you tried to hard to push your reads on others, instead of trying to lead town. However, townies were not agreeing with your reads and felt you tried to push some scum agenda.

There was once talk in the podcasts about a game Promethelax played on Mafiascum, where one guy was calling him out on being a narcissist and making a huge post about how Prom's ego is overblown. At the same time the same guy also acknowledged that Prom was playing very townie. The reason this worked was because Prom used his ego to lead the town, to constantly push people to give their reads, to ask again and again what they mean and to threat that he would lynch them if they would not do what he expected from them.

So basically what I want to say is: it's ok if you come into the game with a huge ego, but you need to use it right. You need to push people to do what you need them to do so you (and other townies) can get a good read on their alignement (VE did this after Koshi confirmed him). But you came into the game trying to push your reads/opinion onto other townies, and they wont let that happen. And I think that's why you had a rather bad start into this game.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 14:48 GMT
#6115
Also, I think some towns are hard to lead. While most townies are looking for a leader (which makes them susceptible to scum manipulations), there are some who want to do just their own thing. Vayne is a good example of the latter, and I think you wasted too much time trying to get him to do more (after all, you know how he plays) while also being unnecessary aggressive towards him. It was ok that you started ignoring him for a while, but you should have done that much earlier and concentrate on other players.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 14:51 GMT
#6118
Oh yeah, right, being unnecessarily aggressive was also a thing.

WHY CAN'T I MAKE A SENSE OF THIS ANYMORE!

I had it all in my head this week on what I wanted to say about your early game and did not write it down, and now I can't get it together anymore

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 16:53 GMT
#6124
On October 13 2013 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah.

Thx for hosting. Close to perfect ;D

Well, I wouldn't call 'accidentally outing a scum member' close to perfect...
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
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