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On September 27 2013 06:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sounds like a case of scummy-not-remembering-what-bullshit-I-spewed to me.
##Vote: Yamato
You want a real game? Let's play a real game. VE, I'll explain this to you in simple steps. Him claiming scum does not make him scum, and is not a good reason to vote for him. What he's done since is another matter. Him claiming scum doesn't make him tow, either. The tell is not absolute.
And what is it in your mind that makes you believe pushing random lynches is a scum trait? Prior experience?
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On September 27 2013 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 06:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 27 2013 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sounds like a case of scummy-not-remembering-what-bullshit-I-spewed to me.
##Vote: Yamato
You want a real game? Let's play a real game. VE, I'll explain this to you in simple steps. Him claiming scum does not make him scum, and is not a good reason to vote for him. What he's done since is another matter. Him claiming scum doesn't make him tow, either. The tell is not absolute. And what is it in your mind that makes you believe pushing random lynches is a scum trait? Prior experience? It's more the part that you are not trying to find scum and are just bantering away like a mofo. I made that mistake in GoT. Townies try to find scum. Not do what you are doing.
I don't fake or force my scumhunting when I see something scummy I call it out. The only thing unusual that I see so far is how try-hard Yamato is and even that I don't think is much to go on. The reason I seemed to be "trying to find scum" earlier on in Golden Sun was because I had confirmation bias against Vayne and thought what he was doing was scummy.
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why is everyone trying so hard to twist each other's posts into being scummy right now?
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lol you guys are so cute, that part was me trolling. I realize that nobody is going to follow a random lynch of a target deliberately chosen by me because that's not random.
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On September 27 2013 07:37 yamato77 wrote:
we ARE NOT RANDOM LYNCHING
suggesting it does nothing
seriously stfu and find scum
don't fight the random lynch. Ease into it and we'll all be happier!
On September 27 2013 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Ok so with the most analytical masterminds in the game we are going to random lynch?
Hilarious.
Lots of analysis comes from random lynches. The lynch doesn't just fall into place when somebody is RNG'd what happens when a person is randomly selected. how will people react. will people flip-flop or will they go through with their vote. Could lead to one of the most informative days 1s ever.
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On September 27 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:14 Grackaroni wrote:
lol you guys are so cute, that part was me trolling. I realize that nobody is going to follow a random lynch of a target deliberately chosen by me because that's not random. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 07:37 yamato77 wrote:
we ARE NOT RANDOM LYNCHING
suggesting it does nothing
seriously stfu and find scum don't fight the random lynch. Ease into it and we'll all be happier! On September 27 2013 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Ok so with the most analytical masterminds in the game we are going to random lynch?
Hilarious. Lots of analysis comes from random lynches. The lynch doesn't just fall into place when somebody is RNG'd what happens when a person is randomly selected. how will people react. will people flip-flop or will they go through with their vote. Could lead to one of the most informative days 1s ever. Ok. So not trolling then. Can't even keep story straight 2 hours in the game. ##vote Grackaroni
just from judging from how consistent I made my filter last game you should realize that I'm not as concerned about keeping my filter consistent this game.
I'm not trolling at all about the idea of a random lynch. I am trolling when I make posts where I deliberately choose the target of the "random" lynch or when I collaborate with Palmar's mafia team. I don't know why you aren't able to tell that those posts aren't intended to be serious. It's the start of the game and even now I think a lot of my posts have been more useful than Yamato randomly raging at people.
@BH: I was in your first game.... there has always been trolls.
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I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player.
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(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching.
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On September 27 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player. Then why isn't your vote on someone who has opposed your idea out of hand?
Show me a game where I vote someone early on as town, I don't know off hand if I have but I really doubt there is one. It's not my style.
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On September 27 2013 08:08 Koshi wrote:
So defensive.
lol you really don't understand. I did something that draws a lot of attention on to myself. Now everyone is questioning me on it. Obviously I'm going to appear "defensive" when I keep having to explain my view.
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On September 27 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player. I like how you're putting words in my mouth and assuming town never lynches scum D1. It's because of players like you that townies get lynched. Anyway, I'm actually off.
lol I'm not putting any words in your mouth. Statistically the town would catch more mafia day1 from random lynching than using our day 1 analysis and that's a fact.
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Actually Koshi is probably scum. His play this game feels off, the me being scum for focusing on a random lynch "in order to avoid scum hunting" when it is still only 3 hours into the day and the bad contradiction case about my trolling. I believe he's better than that when he is town and it feels like forced contributions to try to get early town cred.
I started out a little trollish in Golden Sun and Koshi didn't react in the same way. Look at the start of day 1 Golden sun and judge for yourself.
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On September 27 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm looking for here, he didn't react at all. What specifically makes you think that we're seeing mafia here rather than townie who is slightly more comfortable reading you by virtue of having just completed a game with you?
I guess It makes sense that he thinks he's more comfortable reading me now. He wasn't nearly as aggressive towards me when I made posts like this last game and it feels forced to me that he's so jumpy about my posts this game. The cases are forced, nothing about my random lynch is alignment indicative it was something I planned to do pre-game when I saw Palmar was playing.
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On September 27 2013 08:52 Palmar wrote:
Grack could be scum, there is not enough evidence yet though. But he seems eager enough to create it so it's not really a problem.
Hey Grack, read through yamato's posts and tell me if he's scum or town and why.
hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me.
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On September 27 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:52 Palmar wrote:
Grack could be scum, there is not enough evidence yet though. But he seems eager enough to create it so it's not really a problem.
Hey Grack, read through yamato's posts and tell me if he's scum or town and why. hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me. Oh well, then I guess voting you off for being a jackass is a valid strategy, I can't read you for shit anyway, so why even bother having you in the game? ##Vote Grackaroni
Because I'm town and lynching town is anti-town?
Because I do put more effort into the game than many people in the thread.
I will work on being less of an ass. Nobody likes to be accused.
A lot of people have been calling me scum so I have been posting a lot of reasons why I am not mafia in the thread as a response. It is not just scum who defend themselves and it's not good reasoning for a scum read.
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On September 27 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:52 Palmar wrote:
Grack could be scum, there is not enough evidence yet though. But he seems eager enough to create it so it's not really a problem.
Hey Grack, read through yamato's posts and tell me if he's scum or town and why. hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me. What I find interesting about this post is that you're only interested in discrediting him when he literally says "there's not enough evidence yet". I find this reaction to be suspicious.
It has to do with my history with Palmar. I frequently find myself as his first scum read and it annoys me.
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On September 27 2013 08:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm looking for here, he didn't react at all. What specifically makes you think that we're seeing mafia here rather than townie who is slightly more comfortable reading you by virtue of having just completed a game with you? I guess It makes sense that he thinks he's more comfortable reading me now. He wasn't nearly as aggressive towards me when I made posts like this last game and it feels forced to me that he's so jumpy about my posts this game. The cases are forced, nothing about my random lynch is alignment indicative it was something I planned to do pre-game when I saw Palmar was playing. This is like the third time you point to something in your behavior is inconsistent with being mafia and therefore you cannot possibly be mafia. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player. Then why isn't your vote on someone who has opposed your idea out of hand? Show me a game where I vote someone early on as town, I don't know off hand if I have but I really doubt there is one. It's not my style. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:10 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 06:09 Koshi wrote:
I got no problem lynching Grack. hah. I actually would be less inclined to propose a random lynch as mafia because I'm more comfortable being in control of the lynch. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching.
Aditionally you are taking all of these out of context.
The first one is to help strengthen why I think Koshi's cases are forced/worse than I would expect from him as town.
The 2nd one is just a natural response. If I accused someone of being scum for sheeping and the player normally sheeps they would just say that is how they play as town.
3rd one is full defense.
The one on the bottom wasn't for defending myself it was how I thought scum would react to the idea of random lynching.
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On September 27 2013 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 06:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 27 2013 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sounds like a case of scummy-not-remembering-what-bullshit-I-spewed to me.
##Vote: Yamato
You want a real game? Let's play a real game. VE, I'll explain this to you in simple steps. Him claiming scum does not make him scum, and is not a good reason to vote for him. What he's done since is another matter. Him claiming scum doesn't make him tow, either. The tell is not absolute. And what is it in your mind that makes you believe pushing random lynches is a scum trait? Prior experience? It's more the part that you are not trying to find scum and are just bantering away like a mofo. I made that mistake in GoT. Townies try to find scum. Not do what you are doing.
On September 27 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:14 Grackaroni wrote:
lol you guys are so cute, that part was me trolling. I realize that nobody is going to follow a random lynch of a target deliberately chosen by me because that's not random. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 07:37 yamato77 wrote:
we ARE NOT RANDOM LYNCHING
suggesting it does nothing
seriously stfu and find scum don't fight the random lynch. Ease into it and we'll all be happier! On September 27 2013 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Ok so with the most analytical masterminds in the game we are going to random lynch?
Hilarious. Lots of analysis comes from random lynches. The lynch doesn't just fall into place when somebody is RNG'd what happens when a person is randomly selected. how will people react. will people flip-flop or will they go through with their vote. Could lead to one of the most informative days 1s ever. Ok. So not trolling then. Can't even keep story straight 2 hours in the game. ##vote Grackaroni
And what is your opinion of the cases that Koshi has used for me being scum so far. (Pushing random lynch = scum + contradiction case)
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@Palmar, I would have expected you to try to push for a random lynch even though I was getting flak for doing it. You've done it before without caring about what others thought. Why didn't you?
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Because more people will probably vote for me than support my idea lol
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