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On October 07 2013 09:30 Pandain wrote:
Also Austin all your post says for CC not being MCB is that he bussed him last minute.
Oh shit no way?
Also do you think I'm scum and if so say why. No. He looks to have a legitimate "Palmar will get shot, who cares" feeling, to me.
He looks like he's actively looking for SnB connections after SnB flips. Agree? Disagree?
And it's not that CC got Palmar killed last minute. It's that CC got Palmar killed last minute WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO AT ALL.
Heck, look at how he talks about his own switch:On October 05 2013 06:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 06:43 s0Lstice wrote:On October 05 2013 06:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Solstice do you even think im mafia? Yea i think you could be. That weird Oats vote plus not really caring about our Day 2 lynch makes you pretty suspicious to me. I thought ft was claiming scum by being silent. Just look at cephiro in noir (sorry)... Silent dudes gettingvtes are often scum cus they dont want to give information away. Was just bad, then. I cared about the lynch, but ft needed to go. If i didnt care i wouldnt have switched to palmar to get an extra kill. I was debating it due to not knowing if ft was going to be modkilled. On October 05 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I didnt want to lynch vayne because ft and palmar were better lynches. Thr defence in his filter looked good too when i looked at his filter He doesn't take CREDIT for Palmar being lynched. When solstice says "maybe you're mafia," he explains his switch WITHOUT SAYING "Ummmm, I swapped and got Palmar killed? How am I maf maf?" He doesn't say "I didn't lynch vayne because I VOTED FOR MAFIA."
Bussing only works if you come off looking good from it. Cheese didn't bus Palmar, otherwise he'd at least be INSINUATING that he's town because he helped kill Palmar. And he later attacks oats for oats's posts that mention Palmar. He's concerned with others' (or feigning concern) relationship with Palmar, but NOT PUSHING HIS OWN.
That's not a bus.
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On October 07 2013 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Using a "Palmar will get shot" defense for a scum buddy is one of the best things I could think of. Very unlikely he will get shot as scum is trying to get rid of confirmed townies and the other scum, so they won't 'just' shoot a vet.
Yeah he did, and he got the connection that "Palmar is not SnB". Hmmmm. As I've said before there isn't that much to gain, he also said I was scum for calling SnB town when he was very much so town in my eyes for good reasons.
Palmar was going to get lynched, not enough people believed me in Vayne. Wasn't the eventual vote like 7-3?
Cheese stayed out of all conversation for the flip until the end, in my eyes because he was forced to switch to the only other viable choice or come out suspicious.
I agree your point though about not taking credit is interesting.
I thought about WoS as a possible choice for the last MCB. Very determined to avoid Palmar and only laid suspicion on Vayne and FT, wouldn't switch to even Palmar despite me showing that FT was town. My only caveat was that I was pretty sure that he was scum with Vayne but maybe it's not too hard to just assume that he wanted to make sure FT got lynched over Palmar. And at end he tried to with Vayne before it was certain Palmar would get lynched.
Do you agree Vayne is scum? At the time Cheese swapped, the vote was 5-5. I didn't supercheck on which hit 5 first, because the votes got wonky.
It ended up 7-3. From 5-5, cheese made it 6-4, and then VE made it 7-3. So while it ends up lopsided looking, cheese at 1 minute til lynch DID take it from 5-5 to 6-4. Ensured that a single last minute swap couldn't save Palmar. Just an unnecessary swap imo if he's scum.
The WoS points are why I was pushing WoS, specifically because he looked like he could be the MCB, even more than just plain old regular scum.
Yes. VA is 100% mafia in my mind. But not the MCB.
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On October 07 2013 10:01 s0Lstice wrote:
Austin, you have said I'm likely not the last MCB if scum right? Neither cop claimer is likely.
The person who fakeclaims cop is 100% MEGA SUPER DEAD. Like, that particular person is NOT living til endgame (other cop will kill them, or mafia will kill real cop, or town lynches one, etc. etc.).
The last MCB needs to try and win/hide. Not go all-in on a fakeclaim that ENSURES they die. The only time to ever do that would be when they could endgame, and then last MCB can't endgame here and KNOWS town will be gunning for them.
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(Yes, I still think the last MCB almost surely cannot win, barring silly things. But he's going to TRY. He's not going to put himself into a situation where he is going to die 100%)
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I don't love VA + solstice same team. Just read it, that's based on how VA would be letting you go today with no attempt whatsoever to save. gg solstice, no re.
So nope, I don't like that. And yes, you guys would be on the same team if you're scum.
Me not liking him cutting bait so hard if you're both together isn't nearly as powerful as some of the other assumptions I'm working under --> neither of you can be MCB to me. For you it's suicide to claim cop as MCB. For him, he does nothing at all to even hint at saving Palmar.
If you're scum, you're same team. Nope, don't love it. But look at the conclusions I draw above. Each of my teams has you guys together. I don't have to love it, but if you're scum and I'm right on him, he IS just distancing, and decided that there's no hope of saving you.
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On October 07 2013 10:26 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote:
I don't love VA + solstice same team. Just read it, that's based on how VA would be letting you go today with no attempt whatsoever to save. gg solstice, no re.
So nope, I don't like that. And yes, you guys would be on the same team if you're scum.
Me not liking him cutting bait so hard if you're both together isn't nearly as powerful as some of the other assumptions I'm working under --> neither of you can be MCB to me. For you it's suicide to claim cop as MCB. For him, he does nothing at all to even hint at saving Palmar.
If you're scum, you're same team. Nope, don't love it. But look at the conclusions I draw above. Each of my teams has you guys together. I don't have to love it, but if you're scum and I'm right on him, he IS just distancing, and decided that there's no hope of saving you.
So by that logic there are two people in thread who are trying to save me right now? Who are they? Read the post. By that logic, scum would be trying to save you. Yes. But VE's not mafia, I'm not mafia, WoS is possibly mafia, but frankly nobody else is really trying, just possibly interested.
Except...post. Yes, by that logic, people would be trying to save you. But in the end, I conclude the likely scumteams if you're scum all contain you + VA.
Not that my conclusions are wrong, or that you're town, but that scum just isn't trying to save you, and ultimately VA COULD be on your team. That it's more likely than alternatives.
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On October 07 2013 10:46 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 10:33 austinmcc wrote:On October 07 2013 10:26 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote:
I don't love VA + solstice same team. Just read it, that's based on how VA would be letting you go today with no attempt whatsoever to save. gg solstice, no re.
So nope, I don't like that. And yes, you guys would be on the same team if you're scum.
Me not liking him cutting bait so hard if you're both together isn't nearly as powerful as some of the other assumptions I'm working under --> neither of you can be MCB to me. For you it's suicide to claim cop as MCB. For him, he does nothing at all to even hint at saving Palmar.
If you're scum, you're same team. Nope, don't love it. But look at the conclusions I draw above. Each of my teams has you guys together. I don't have to love it, but if you're scum and I'm right on him, he IS just distancing, and decided that there's no hope of saving you.
So by that logic there are two people in thread who are trying to save me right now? Who are they? Read the post. By that logic, scum would be trying to save you. Yes. But VE's not mafia, I'm not mafia, WoS is possibly mafia, but frankly nobody else is really trying, just possibly interested. Except...post. Yes, by that logic, people would be trying to save you. But in the end, I conclude the likely scumteams if you're scum all contain you + VA. Not that my conclusions are wrong, or that you're town, but that scum just isn't trying to save you, and ultimately VA COULD be on your team. That it's more likely than alternatives. So despite the fact that your own presented evidence does not very well support the idea of me and Vayne being on the same team, you still conclude that we are in the end because its the least shitty of shitty options. Yet over here ----> ( + Show Spoiler +hi im s0Lstice and I am the mother fucking cop ) you have an option where we aren't scum together. The one where I'm town. And this doesn't rely on dubious linkage evidence. It relies on my claim evidence which aside from everyones Dr. Phil feels evidence totally checks out. See where I'm going with this? Yup.
Welcome to my day.
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Eat some popcorn and read about why people can/can't/shouldn't be MCB.
Then tell me whether you agree or not.
Please?
If nothing else, do it cuz I say you aren't, and cuz we were scumbros just a little while ago.
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On October 07 2013 11:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Pandain or CR makes sense for last banger, totes. And do the other players make sense for NOT the last?
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I'm slaving away in the kitchen ALL DAY for you oats. ALL DAY (if you're town).
And you don't even notice one of the beautiful garnishes.
I FRIED THAT PARSLEY FOR YOU. I FRIED THAT PARSLEY AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE.
WHY DO I EVEN FRY PARSLEY ANYMORE FOR YOU?
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I don't terribly understand the motive for EITHER fake claim.
If it's Koshi, it's just...people kept saying Koshi cop Koshi cop? And it hit some tipping point where he decided he had to claim?
If it's solstice, rather than just say "nope, never PMed cheesecake he's making this up and trying to all-in on this," he claims COP after not counterclaiming.
Neither timing makes boatloads of sense to me.
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On October 07 2013 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I just hope we lynch the correct guy. If S0lstice is real cop and is lynched, we're pretty fucked. Are you on board with lynching non-cop scum?
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How about you, oats?
You on board for lynching non-cop scum?
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On October 07 2013 12:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
No we are going to lynch cops because if neither dies I'm going to be so fucking paranoid if the confirms are actually confirmed or not. Well, you're ALREADY paranoid if that's the case.
Like...if they're both alive tomorrow, no different from both being alive today.
It's another day of FUN and TOGETHERNESS and WINNING FOR TOWN
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On October 07 2013 12:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 12:21 austinmcc wrote:On October 07 2013 12:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
No we are going to lynch cops because if neither dies I'm going to be so fucking paranoid if the confirms are actually confirmed or not. Well, you're ALREADY paranoid if that's the case. Like...if they're both alive tomorrow, no different from both being alive today. It's another day of FUN and TOGETHERNESS and WINNING FOR TOWN YES I'm already paranoid if that isn't obvious enough. I want ALL THE KNOWLEDGE right now. Knowledge comes from not lynching cop.
Possibly losing comes from lynching cop.
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If Koshi, shoot scum, force them to either confirm him or use KP to protect or get shot.
If solstice, protect somebody.
Right now the roles are to maybe affect stuff TONIGHT if we don't lynch them, and also totes die so that we know which set of brosephs are town.
Which is one reason rayn's focus on the fact that koshi might omg die tonight how badz irks me. If koshi dies, he gets confirmed, things are GOOD. Because it's not like Koshi is running around doing boatloads of stuff at this point.
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On October 07 2013 13:09 Pandain wrote:
Austin are you here? Barely. I looked at thread a little too much earlier.
Whassup?
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