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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 17 2013 21:39 GMT
#2827
rayn why does umasi's claim make him town?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 17 2013 22:01 GMT
#2836
lol fuck you rayn

go town!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 19 2013 12:29 GMT
#3210
On September 19 2013 20:12 Zealos wrote:
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On September 19 2013 09:30 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 19 2013 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 18 2013 23:44 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 18 2013 18:22 Zealos wrote:
On September 18 2013 07:33 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 18 2013 04:46 Zealos wrote:
On September 17 2013 04:01 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 17 2013 03:56 Zaros wrote:
On September 17 2013 03:52 GhastlyUprising wrote:
[quote]No. You've simply misinterpreted the statistics on this. Ask anyone who lived 70 years ago and they will not tell you that the countryside has hardly been "dented". In fact they'll tell you the exact opposite. I go hiking all the time and I'm constantly struck by the devastation. Perhaps only 2% of land has been built on, but that has little to do with how visible or how cumbersome that 2% is. If someone built a skyscraper next to your house, I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed by a letter from the local council assuring you that while they're sorry for the distress caused by the skyscraper, your objection can't be given high priority in view of the fact that it only occupies a small percentage of land in your neighbourhood.


You ask everyone for evidence facts and statistics, I show you facts and statistics and u throw anecdotal evidence at me. I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore just tiresome and pointless.
The ONLY way to get a handle on facts and statistics here would be to poll people to ask them about their opinions.

Lo and behold, what do we find? Green spaces have a significant positive effect on people's well-being and the quality of their lives.

You know that is a fucking terrible poll to bring up when talking about the quantity of green space being removed by more housing.
And maybe if you weren't a "fucking" zealous crusader for capitalism you would realize the grotesque inconsistency of (a) calling for the abolition of "green belts and restrictive planning laws", and (b) assuming that development will pay special regard to green spaces so that not a square meter of land will be wasted and X% of land being built on will result in X% of green space being destroyed.

The definition of green space isn't even close to "not built on". Damage to scenery, wildlife and ease of movement goes far beyond the piece of land that is built over. You're incapable of seeing such elementary flaws in your arguments because you're utterly consumed by free-market ideology.

I think you completely ignored what I said and repeated when you said earlier for some bizzare reason.
I have not agreed, nor disagreed with the point you're making.
The issue I am taking with you, is that in response to someone saying that extra housing is not having any real effect on our countryside, you quote a poll saying that the countryside is good for people.

The poll is not really relevant.
I apologise for swearing, but to be honest it was mostly from shock.
You don't seem to understand that if you're going to advocate an open borders policy, and play dice with the livelihoods of the voters, the burden of proof falls squarely on YOU. You need to demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the voters' jobs aren't going to be impacted in the short-term. That building hundreds of thousands of extra council houses to accommodate the immigrants claiming them won't stretch us beyond our capacities (even though no government has embarked on such a project since the 1960s). That building these houses won't come at the loss of green belt areas that the voters would like to preserve.

Merely quoting a statistic which says that 2% of the land is built on just won't cut it. It doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to proof that there is plenty of room in this country. Sticking with ecology alone...common sense tells you that damage to scenery, ease of movement and wildlife applies to the area surrounding any site of development and goes well beyond the 2% of land that is built on.

Speak to Americans who come here and they will tell you that they miss the open spaces of their country. It's misleading in the extreme to argue that 2% of land built on = hardly a dent in the countryside.


That is in due in part because our National Parks are pretty much the envy of the world. That and some parks or protected areas are bigger than some countries. You can easily find some place to camp and enjoy the scenery and hike etc. In the UK you can't really do that(I've read that some land where camping in allowed is actually owned by one person or a family and they can and will kick you out for any reason. Other places can have you arrested if they even think you are planning to hike etc. Which is mind boggling to me.) So I guess there is a pro and con to being a old country with history and a young country with not rooted Aristocracy which claimed every major portion of the countryside.
It's not only history. Let's not forget the UK has 7.5 times the population density of the USA. No matter how we distribute the land, we're never going to adjust for a difference of that magnitude in crowding.

What makes this discussion I'm having with Zealos even dumber is that he's not even calling for fairer distribution of land. He's a hardcore right-winger who's presumably quite at home with the land aristocrats and the profound inequality in distribution.

Due to the "Zeal" part of his name, which captures him down to a tee, I think he might actually be trolling in this thread. I won't feed him any more.

Lol. You're such a dumbass. I literally have not debated the fact of whether or not the green land is gone. I've never mentioned land aristocrats or anything similar. I'm saying you're a fucking idiot to quote a statistic about the benefits of green areas in an attempt to prove that green areas in the country are being effected by increased housing.

User was temp banned for this post.

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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 23 2013 22:52 GMT
#3882
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:02 GMT
#4203
HAHAHA RAYNE U SO BAD
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:02 GMT
#4205
On September 26 2013 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 26 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm going to start a Grack school of mafia.
In today's mafia lesson I will show you how to expose a scum player by playing with their ego.

So Mr. Raynepelikoneet. You say that everybody in this game sucked but you yet you failed to make a single save this game and failed to push through the lynch on Blazinghand day 1. what gives?

Because i didn't expect mafia hits to be what they were.



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I'm very confident. Korean Zerg strategies are ahead of foreign Zergs by about 1-2 years, and foreign ZvT also develops very slowly. I think TvZ is my strongest matchup. I predict I will go 6-1 or 5-2; there are a few maps that are very suited to early rushes, very suitable to his [F91’s] style, so I might lose two games.



And what happens? Idra loses 2-5. The white hope of the modern day and age losing to some random zerg player from China. If you can't beat him how are you supposed to beat progamers? I mean seriously the only games you won were games on two maps, Colosseum and Destination, maps that you've been practicing on 13 hours a day in the CJ Pro-team house with Koreans. Of course those are locks but the other five? Why did you lose Idra?

Well, luckily IdrA decided to tell us!
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why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.



HEY MY OPPONENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND I KNEW HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SO I DID EXACTLY WHAT BEATS WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO BUT HE'S DUMB AND DIDN'T DO WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER EASILY.

No Idra, he did what won. If he was dumb he would have done exactly what you wanted him to do...lol. After all this time in Korea you've only learned standard builds and haven't even opened your mind up at all? Makes sense I guess before you went to Korea you did the exact same builds every game in whatever matchup you were playing. You are playing against a Chinese random zerg kid not some CJ-house-team-B practice partner who does the same build against you every game. Get a grip, you weren't aware of what was going on that game and took your situation for granted, and you lost. You lost because you were fucking dumb.

more:
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kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.


That's the point kid. Micro, scanning, and especially game sense wouldn't save any terran from that point. But any terran with micro, scanning, and game sense wouldn't have gotten into that situation anyways because they wouldn't be thinking like such a linear brained retarded fucking frankenstein and would assume that more is possible than what they think their opponent will probably do. No good terran would get in that situation. Do you think any korean progamer would lose to F91 in a series? LMAO.

Wait a second you said:
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i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again


So he's an "ALLIN PLAYER" but he didn't do allin? Wait that doesn't even make sense. If he's an all-in player wouldn't he go all-in every game? That's the point of going all-in and having game sense. If you play the same way every game (LIKE YOU LOL) then you will be very predictable and people can easily take optimal openings vs. you. If you mix it up on the other hand you gain an edge because you're not predictable. Looks to me like he figured you'd just assume he's all-in'ing again and he'd exploit the fact that you're a dumb goon and do what crushes the terran counter to zerg-allin. Oh wait, thats what he did! You got played buddy. You got outsmarted. YOU sucked.

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i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.


Now he's really fucking with your head lmao. This game he does a build that will make you think all-in then delays it a bit to make you think he was just fucking with you again then he all-ins anyways a bit later. Hahahahaha he totally just leveled the fuck out of you. F91 is a fucking genius. U blow.
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[b]congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. What the fuck is skill then IdrA? Playing 13 hours a day raping B-team newb zergs all day who do the same fucking builds then going to the team bathroom with your laptop and jerking off to replays of yourself on the scummy progamer sperm encrusted toilet seat? OH MAN MY M&M RUSH TIMING IS SO SICK JUST LIKE MY JERK-OFF TIMING 14.8 SECONDS THEY'LL NEVER THINK I WAS BEATING OFF IN HERE O FUCK I GOT SOME ON MY SHIRT K GOTTA TAKE A SHOWER IN THIS PROGAMER PUBE CLOGGED BATHTUB SO I CAN COME OUT OF THE SHOWER WITH MY SHIRT OFF IN JUST MY TOWEL AND PUT IT IN THE HAMPER AND GET FRESH CLOTHES SO THEY DONT KNOW I JUST GOT PROGAMER SPERM ALL OVER MY CJ SHIRT CUZ I WEAR IT EVERY DAY IN 14.8 SECONDS DUE TO SICK TERRAN STIM PACK MASTERBATION APM.

Skill is what wins games. Period. Luck is part of starcraft. Maybe if you took risks and tried to exploit that fact sometimes you could actually win games.

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boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.

f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). [b]and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.


How does someone training with the CJ team get tricked by a dumb chinese zerg player who isn't clever and simply hopes? I mean seriously LOL he mind fucked you and you still can't even realize it after the fact. Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance will keep you in the CJ team B-house and off TV for another year until you finally realize it's time to pack your bags and get the fuck out.

All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.

I mean though I completely understand why Idra does what he does. Imagine a young lil nerd in USA in college playing BW all day with no life. Finally the chance of a lifetime: PROGAMING IN KOREA! Then he gets to Korea and after months on the team even the b-team practice newbies don't even want to play against him because he's so bad and its wasting their time to play him. Fine he was able to put that all behind him though because Estro managed to convince CJ to take him (CJ is more structured and strict so this wouldn't happen there). All the hype just got even bigger. The expectations rose from all his foreign fans. Then what happens? A year goes by and the only public game he's played in Korea was a prelim game where he got utterly raped by JulyZerg because even though his build was good, his execution against JulyZerg was just really bad. THEN another foreigner comes to Korea for a while and steals all his spotlight (which he was failing to live up to anyways). Now he's just been in a lull and we've heard nothing from him really for a while and finally he gets a show match against a chinese newbie where he can have some fun and win a little money in the process. Especially in his best matchup! Oh no I got raped 2-5 because I played like an idiot with no game sense!!! Fuck now everyones going to think I'm horrible NO I MUST DEFEND MYSELF I AM ESTROCJIDRAINKOREA I AM THE BEST FOREIGNER HE GOT PURELY LUCKY IF I PLAYED HIM 100 TIMES I WOULD WIN MORE THAN 50 FOR SURE I AM BETTER THAN HIM!!!!!!!!!! He's just insecure and it's rough on him that he's got all this foreign pressure to succeed and he's not living up to it at all.

Instead of acting like an insecure little faggot by continuing to throw out stupid posts about 'why you lost' just say GG well played and move on with your life. Even when I was in Korea and breakdown raped me I admitted the truth: that I played horribly. Sure I could have done better but I did play horrible and I did lose straight up. I admitted that fact and moved on with my life and didn't sit around trying to blame my opponent's stupidity for why I lost. I mean seriously how can you blame your opponents stupidity for why you lost that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard LOL. Thats like doing a big-time drug sale where the agreement is 'bring no weapons' then you show up there unarmed and get robbed. How fucking stupid can YOU be. If you wasted less time making excuses and put that time into improving as a player and figuring out how you could have won given the dire circumstances that F91's brilliance put you in maybe people wouldn't hate you so much.

Be happy you're still living a dream that so many foreigners would love to experience. You're on a pro-team in Korea have your mind numbing practice hours made you forget that? So what you have no talent in SC at all? So what you haven't had any success? Maye you should try some new things everyone is good at something. There's more to life than one little show match you should have just had fun with it and acted in a respectful manner after you got butt-fucked. Stop acting like a bitter litte nerd, leave that to Artosis when he's losing to DT drops on ICCUP.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:04 GMT
#4208
like seriously you voted oats because he made you repeat yourself about the scum roles thing

vayne was actually confirmed scum. why in the fuck would you not have voted him. he was actually confirmed lying about the roleblock
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:04 GMT
#4209
#raynethrows
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:54 GMT
#4271
On September 26 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 26 2013 07:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Rayn is almost certainly town MVP. He had good reads all game. The fact that he failed to push his reads is unfortunate, but at least he had good reads! Many games I fail to even have good reads.

I will either stop playing mafia or i will go back to "shout so hard you get whoever you want lynched" because idiots like SnNB make me feel so bad for myself.

well, you make me enjoy playing the game less, so we're even
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 25 2013 22:58 GMT
#4277
On September 26 2013 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 26 2013 07:54 strongandbig wrote:
On September 26 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 26 2013 07:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Rayn is almost certainly town MVP. He had good reads all game. The fact that he failed to push his reads is unfortunate, but at least he had good reads! Many games I fail to even have good reads.

I will either stop playing mafia or i will go back to "shout so hard you get whoever you want lynched" because idiots like SnNB make me feel so bad for myself.

well, you make me enjoy playing the game less, so we're even

Let's try to be friends instead of callling each other retarded? Deal?
Sorry i really was just disappointed at myself and i hate losing.

sounds good

i agree SQUM was def the best moment of the game.

I wish my squirtle breadcrumb interpretation was right.
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