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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 14 2013 22:11 GMT
#1729
Does anyone still think I'm scum btw?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 00:44 GMT
#1803
On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 07:41 Old Partner wrote:
I'm not saying there's no reason to be suspicious of me-- there obviously is. 2 survivors in a game, especially a normal mini, is pretty rare. But it happens! ShiaoPi is crazy, he'd do it. I'm not confirmed scum. So given that there's a non-zero chance that I am who I say I am, all I ask is this: read what I have to say today. If you dismiss it, you dismiss it. But I will try to convince you to let me live.

yeahh...
no.

Would still rather kill SnB tho.

Why?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 01:08 GMT
#1808
Zealos besides SnB who do you think is scum.

Why did you make this post and how can you justify it;
On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 07:41 Old Partner wrote:
I'm not saying there's no reason to be suspicious of me-- there obviously is. 2 survivors in a game, especially a normal mini, is pretty rare. But it happens! ShiaoPi is crazy, he'd do it. I'm not confirmed scum. So given that there's a non-zero chance that I am who I say I am, all I ask is this: read what I have to say today. If you dismiss it, you dismiss it. But I will try to convince you to let me live.

yeahh...
no.

Would still rather kill SnB tho.


When before you made this post.
On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote:
I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch
I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it?

##Predayvote:OP

vigipls

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:04 GMT
#1819
##shoot kushm4sta
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:04 GMT
#1820
Hey guys, remember that we haven't won yet, even though it's starting to look really good. Let's keep up the good town atmosphere.

Your posts should make points, this allows us to help analyze you later and also you share your thought process!

I'm going through what, first, is the obvious choice. Lynch OP . His original posts following the thread:
On September 15 2013 07:36 Old Partner wrote:
Well how boned am I now? fuck

show or indicate a mindset where he is willing to give up. As in, he doesn't believe he can prove he's town.

Furthermore, I actually do agree there is a chance that there are two survivors. I never rule out the impossible. However, it is indicative he is scum because of the retroactive effect, the less likely there are two be two survivors, the more that he's scum. Alright, makes sense.

To me he's going to end up scum because I can't see there being two KP. If both scum and SK hit townies, without blue intervention, town could only have two mislynches, which is pretty harsh.

So for further analysis during this day we should assume he's scum, although again it's not certain and if wrong we need to re-evaluate things.

Kush is certain scum to me.

His post here reveals he knew scum had fake claims.

He later explains here:
On September 14 2013 07:43 kushm4sta wrote:
I asked about this as soon as I got my role. There are fake claims so mass claim well just out blues


There's no way he asks this when he gets his role. Why would anyone ever do that on this planet.

This alone is enough for me, but I will also add that he doesn't give a shit, is actively trolling, but then says he will try and play serious. He is doing a persona of a troll rather than an actual troll. But again, the above was enough for me anyway.

Koshi is town
His posts are too genuine. Here is his filter. Here you go! Like Rayn, he posts a shit-ton, but however unlike Rayn you see a logical progression of ideas and they always have an immediate point and an intent to promote discussion. If you have questions about this please ask me and I'll go more in detail with specific posts.

Umasi is town
Doesn't post much, but is attempting to promote discussion, albeit late because he was a replacement. Also Goodkarma struck town to me as he correctly identified the pointless koshi/grack/va/snb situation.

This post to me seems like he's attempting to generate discussion:
On September 13 2013 18:13 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
Picking koshi may seem random, I picked him because his posts rubbed me the wrong way and I didn't want to meddle with the SnB bandwagon then. Is this scummy? Well it could be scummy if SnB were scum.
Koshi's push against SnB then was even less justified then my read on Koshi.


few things with this line, blub.
kind of a wacky thing to phrase, but why didn't you want to mess with the wagon? like, why is that a thought that even entered your head? 'Should I interfere with this or not'
and in the underlined, you say 'if SnB were scum'
why are you speaking in a different tense than the present? I think it's a breach in mentality, you are scum, SAB is town, and since you know this, phrased it the way you did accidentally.
##VOTE BLUB

your opening post struck me really wrong, the fact that you fos(or whatever you did, lightly pressure) grack makes me think grack is kinda townie since you're pretty scummy.


gotta go to sleep now, not nearly done catching up with the thread, will check in in the morning and try to catch up as much as possible before school.


He pressures blub, but rather than go afk eventually or even stick with "he's suspicious,"
he actually changes to the scum that we now know in OP

Rayn
I'm a lot less suspicious of Rayn, honestly. To be frank most of my analysis was that he was disrupting the thread, and trying to nail everyone who I thought was town. But him on OP is one of the main tells that he's town, he actively didn't vote for blub(or zealos, if we assume zealos is town), despite an active presence in the thread. This vote, disregarding on what he says, indicates to me he is probably town.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:08 GMT
#1821
Also Strongandbig is clearly town

There is not an SK unless someone here claims they got shot. Then we can assume that there is(or more unlikely scum has 2 kp, but that's a small possibility).

So that means that there are no third party, so SnB is either scum or town.

Assuming he's scum, that means that mafia have to be sure that they didn't roleblock someone else. So either WoS was roleblocked (why), or SnB is town because mafia don't roleblock themselves especially not at a pivotal moment like N1.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:15 GMT
#1824
I have never been in a game with a town roleblocker, is that a thing now while I've been gone?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:19 GMT
#1831
Sorry, I wish
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:22 GMT
#1835
Sorry I'm making a big post right now
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:25 GMT
#1836
On September 15 2013 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 12:17 Umasi wrote:
oats, why on earth do you want to keep BH alive?
either there's two survivors or he's clearly lying :|

So why do you think I dont want to kill BH?


On September 15 2013 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont want to lynch OP, he's cool.

Why does Rayn get townie points for being on OP Pandain? If rayn was scum, OP was a mislynch.


Please explain
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:34 GMT
#1842
So here's what we have right now:
2. kushm4sta

4. Old Partner
5. Koshi
6. Strongandbig
13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi

9. raynpelikoneet
10. Grackaroni See analysis of mine before.

This leaves:
3. VayneAuthority
7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster
12. Papa_Smurf

14. Sn0_Man
15. Zealos

Papa_Smurf is cleared for me right now. He has been adamant on kush and pushing discussion when discussion had died down.

Filter
His posts have been long and more importantly filled with points and not just repeating stuff. Even more improtantly, perhaps, they have been often which overall indicates hes active which is a general point for him, though not certain.

If Kush is in fact scum, I would say Papa is probably cleared for helping me almost lynch him.


Vayne is a bit suspicious to me, contrary to what I believed earlier.
Mainly it's the fact that despite being active, he's not trying to actually push stuff. He's giving a lot of defenses but not a lot of strong offenses.

Sn0 is slightly town to me. . Was actually trying to push for me, and active and frank about his opinions. Problem is hasn't posted lately so hard to analyze, where has he been lately? Also he immediately tried to say OP was bullshit, why would scumteam do that? Esp. if you're playing a lurker like Sn0.

I am waiting for Oats and Zealos respones.


On September 15 2013 12:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Also pandain

on your read on rayne, you say "assume zealos is town". Do you ahve a town read on him now?


No, I was talking in reference to him, if Zealos and Blub were town, then not switching to either(assuming Zealos was town) indicates that Rayn is in fact town.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:34 GMT
#1843
Wow that's a mess
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 03:35 GMT
#1845
On September 15 2013 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 12:25 Pandain wrote:
On September 15 2013 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
On September 15 2013 12:17 Umasi wrote:
oats, why on earth do you want to keep BH alive?
either there's two survivors or he's clearly lying :|

So why do you think I dont want to kill BH?


On September 15 2013 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont want to lynch OP, he's cool.

Why does Rayn get townie points for being on OP Pandain? If rayn was scum, OP was a mislynch.


Please explain

hmm?
Im asking why Umasi thinks I dont want to kill BH.

Im confused.
Also I answered the second part earlier, I was wrong :x


Probably because you said you don't want to lynch OP in the post above.

I'll be back in 30 minutes, hope you're ok with that Papa. I want to play super smash with my friend and don't feel too compelled to justify myself atm.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 04:29 GMT
#1850
Here's what I did night one:
It's Kush 4, OP 6, Blub 4.

I agree to help try and get Zealos lynched instead of OP, since you guys didn't want to lynch kush.

Grack changes from OP to Zealos.
Kush 4, OP 5, Blub 4, Zealos 2
Blub changes from OP to Zealos
Kush 4, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 3
I change from Kush to Zealos
Kush 3, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 4
It is 6:59. I realize that no one else is online or going to change. OP was going to be lynched since he hit 4 first. Given the strange votes I had seen on OP I had believed he was town, so I would rather lynch Blub than OP.

So I change from Zealos to blub to ensure Blub is lynched instead as I thought it was the better choice.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 04:32 GMT
#1851
Also Oats what happened to this?
On September 14 2013 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
you're horrible koshi.

Night guys. OP is scum. Lynch him or lynch town. GUARANTEED.

On September 14 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats

What 4th wagon?
Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP.
Why arent you voting for OP?
Second read is Blubb.


Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand

for what?
I dont want to lynch SnB today.
There are already 2 votes on OP, so he needs like another 3 to be the dude thats gonna die. Do you think thats hard to get??

I dont see the point of you shutting me down like this. Do you prefer regurgitated content or new stuff about a new person that is scum.
You have given no reasons why you dont want to lynch OP Papa smurf. Give those reasons.


On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats

What 4th wagon?
Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP.
Why arent you voting for OP?
Second read is Blubb.


Why have you changed despite him becoming more suspicious?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 04:47 GMT
#1853
Oats can you fully explain your thought process? Like three paragraphs I'm looking for, if you thought that much? If not, can you think about it that much and then give me a response.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 05:04 GMT
#1855
On September 15 2013 14:02 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 13:29 Pandain wrote:
Here's what I did night one:
It's Kush 4, OP 6, Blub 4.

I agree to help try and get Zealos lynched instead of OP, since you guys didn't want to lynch kush.

Grack changes from OP to Zealos.
Kush 4, OP 5, Blub 4, Zealos 2
Blub changes from OP to Zealos
Kush 4, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 3
I change from Kush to Zealos
Kush 3, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 4
It is 6:59. I realize that no one else is online or going to change. OP was going to be lynched since he hit 4 first. Given the strange votes I had seen on OP I had believed he was town, so I would rather lynch Blub than OP.

So I change from Zealos to blub to ensure Blub is lynched instead as I thought it was the better choice.



Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:58 Pandain wrote:
##Unvote: Old PArtner
##Vote: Zealos


Ok. This above vote gives me a wtf kind of moment (you apparently thought you were voting OP and not kush, which would make you think OP had one less vote than he actually did at that time, which in turn would let you think OP was safe)


Oh yeah no I was probably copying the format of the people above me. Or just consistantly thinking about OP.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 15 2013 07:11 GMT
#1871
I went through your posts to see if you had a point, BH, and went through like seven of your games. I realized that when town you are very reasoned and attempting to convince people through calm, if passionate measures. Aka you don't really use caps, and don't attempt to use humor to downplay the other side.

I then realized you play like you are playing now when you are anti town.

Then I also realized that even if you aren't scum, you're still a third party and who really cares in the end. This is a free lynch that we get a 70% chance of hitting scum, you would do the same in our situation and we aren't changing it. Especially since mafia only killed *another* survivor.

So for our sake either do more analysis if you want or stop spamming the thread.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 16 2013 03:44 GMT
#2146
The more interesting thing about any of this is the absence of Zealos and Sno_Man.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 16 2013 03:44 GMT
#2147
Doesn't mean anything now, though.
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