Has been actively putting himself out there on all days and during all important moments. When SnB asked for a case on Blubb, who we now know is innocent, Koshi offered it. During end game hectics, he was there. Had different opinions and shared them and disagreed with others.
Has had different opinions than others(thinking Isaac was big thing and hounding on it
General effort to find out and bring out new information.
On September 13 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
WoS:
His conversation with Grack was indeed the only thing he did. However, he didn't try to do any "sneaky" stuff to trap Grack. It was a man vs man conversation and I think it will help town to make a better read on either WoS/Grack in the future.

I am not lynching WoS atm, he didn't do anything anti-town except for being less active but if you want to lynch for that reason there are better targets than WoS. WoS also knows this and could have been pretended to care and gather some posts way easier than to grill Grack on the way he did.

WoS is cool in my book.

On September 14 2013 10:04 Koshi wrote:
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On September 14 2013 09:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 14 2013 09:43 Koshi wrote:
Question to all:

Did you know that you could post your role PM?

Please answer!

Thank you!

no, I expected BH to be modkilled. You made an interesting point about BH asking if he could post his role PM. maybe he thought he could and then saw people expecting him to modkill and second guessed himself. I don't really see any sort of scum motivation for not knowing whether he could post it or not.

It's more about the fact that scum knew that it was allowed because they got fake role pms in their QT from hosts. I remember them being provided in Nuclear as well. So scum BH knew he was able to post roles.

If he was really survivor/town he would have assumed that it was not ok to post roles unless he actually read the rules and knew it was allowed. But in that case he wouldn't have to ask the hosts if it was allowed.

It is unbelievable/almost impossible that BH posted his role PM without checking if it was allowed. Nobody assumes that posting roles is allowed.

Why Grack is town
Here is his filter.

Please let me know if you think that's not pro town!

Pandain

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September 14 2013 01:21 GMT

#1415

Oh shit there's actually one more confirmed townie in my book, hold on.

Pandain

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September 14 2013 01:58 GMT

#1422

On September 14 2013 10:43 Umasi wrote:
sorry for not being around at lynch time
fwiw I buy the roleclaim, I think it's stupid to not believe the roleclaim, it fits with his stated reasoning and pushing his lynch is blatantly pro scum
anyone have things they want me to address specifically? I've kind of lost the flow of the thread since I've been afk/entered the thread late

Have you read the whole thread so far?
Do you have any opinions on who you think are scum, and if so why?

Pandain

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September 14 2013 03:05 GMT

#1436

Not gonna lie Rayn successfully made this thread turn to shit

Pandain

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September 14 2013 04:44 GMT

#1469

OP how about you stop trolling on useless matters and help analyze WoS so I can get a fresh perspective.

Pandain

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September 14 2013 04:56 GMT

#1471

Actually Sn0 man is better, WoS I forgot pre-said he was going to be afk. So some of the blame that I felt he has for seeming to contribute but not actually contributing in key ways(except for random vote), are a bit laid off, but not totally gone.

Here's my list so far.
1. Pandain
2. kushm4sta
3. VayneAuthority
4. Old Partner
5. Koshi
6. Strongandbig less sure
7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster
8. blubbdavid
9. raynpelikoneet
10. Grackaroni
11. DarthPunk replaced N0 by WaveofShadow
12. Papa_Smurf less sure
13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi
14. Sn0_Man
15. Zealos

Also an overall note:

Even as Survivor, BH doesn't actually have to contribute anything or help town. He wins with either team. So he could actually give purposely bad analysis if he feels mafia is losing, or help pin remaining scum if he thinks town is winning.

So we have to judge him based on his posts and posts alone without regards to how experienced he is.

Pandain

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September 14 2013 04:57 GMT

#1472

I truly appreciate any help from anyone.
And I did find your jokes funny BH

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:05 GMT

#1478

On September 14 2013 13:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
hey im here for a bit to discuss anything if anyone wants to, otherwise heading to bed.

to pandain's last point, we can always lynch OP to buy us time for a day if we ever unsure at some point. We always have that as a back option due to his claim.

Would that be right choice? I guess so in that OP could vote as scum; unless a cop gets killed in which case we should go for scum anyway.

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:15 GMT

#1482

For some reason I feel like OP isn't going to help.

Maybe lynch him tommorow for the lolz? 👹👺👺👺👺

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:15 GMT

#1483

Sorry that was spam just musings in my head

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:35 GMT

#1491

I see some of your points but think you make the wrong conclusion. First remember that like his first in game post told us he would be gone during this time; he's putting in effort into the thread at a time relative to what should be expected.

Also a vig shot is an awful idea especially since you yourself say there are few things you have a problem with and I consider them minor. I would rather see a vig shot on Rayn, who if scum will kill scum and tell us so much info, and if town will save us unreadable spam.

My thoughts

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:37 GMT

#1492

He could be scum but I'd rather wait

Pandain

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September 14 2013 05:56 GMT

#1497

I had wanted Sno man btw

Pandain

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September 14 2013 20:41 GMT

#1675

Oats why do you think I am town?

Pandain

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September 14 2013 20:59 GMT

#1676

The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them.

I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch.
As for me
Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here.
Also quote of mine:

SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information.

I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.)

In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous.

Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers.