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On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work.
And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case.
@rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required.
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The requirements are the avoidance of my impending death. I think I have the highest votecount atm.
I have an honest question: Are there townies sacrifice themselves for the greater good?
And Zealous, I want some stuff from you, about SnB, OP and Papa Smurf.
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great
srsly I don't want to lynch SnB, but I don't wanna die myself.
What to do, what to do. Lynch Zealos!
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On September 14 2013 01:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:25 Koshi wrote:On September 14 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:On September 14 2013 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:17 Koshi wrote:
I don't want to lynch OP. He reminds me a bit of Crazometer but I don't want to lynch him D: So he reminds you of scum but you dont want to lynch him because? Is there a specifc post that makes you think he's town? He puts so much work in his posts. They are really really long. What if OP is town? You will lose an asset. and I like OP. He is better than Pandain. Lynch Pandain over OP. hes not an asset. His posts has not helped town lynch scum. Are you seriously blinded by long posts ? Koshi, its getting annoying that you dont have an actual reason to not lynch OP. How is that annoying? I do not have to have a reason to not lynch somebody... And I already said my actual reason. He makes long posts + I like him. Why do you like him, and why is making long posts townie? Blubb, vote for OP!
weeellll it could be an option. Maybe a better one than lynching SnB. But remember I am egoistical, so I will do whatever averts my death.
tbh I haven't really thought about OP's posts because I find them hard to read, will skim through them though.
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On September 14 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:32 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:25 Koshi wrote:On September 14 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:On September 14 2013 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:17 Koshi wrote:
I don't want to lynch OP. He reminds me a bit of Crazometer but I don't want to lynch him D: So he reminds you of scum but you dont want to lynch him because? Is there a specifc post that makes you think he's town? He puts so much work in his posts. They are really really long. What if OP is town? You will lose an asset. and I like OP. He is better than Pandain. Lynch Pandain over OP. hes not an asset. His posts has not helped town lynch scum. Are you seriously blinded by long posts ? Koshi, its getting annoying that you dont have an actual reason to not lynch OP. How is that annoying? I do not have to have a reason to not lynch somebody... And I already said my actual reason. He makes long posts + I like him. Why do you like him, and why is making long posts townie? Blubb, vote for OP! weeellll it could be an option. Maybe a better one than lynching SnB. But remember I am egoistical, so I will do whatever averts my death. tbh I haven't really thought about OP's posts because I find them hard to read, will skim through them though. What. What. What. This isnt an RPG. 'Egoistical' isnt a trait. I You should probably stop telling me to vote for zealous without addressing my earlier stuff on you and him. I did address it. I thought it was sufficient since you turned away from me and onwards OP.
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On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand
Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB?
On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying.
If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly?
btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf
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On September 14 2013 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:50 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf What? So you wouldve played more blendy as scum is that what you are saying?
Yes. I am alone with my case on Zealos. Is it justified? Koshi's investigation (i didn't make out of thread investigation on zealos admittedly) has shed some light on Zealos usual posting so maybe his bandwagoning comes from sheer laziness and not scumminess but I dunno.
I will post some things about OP
and Koshi, papa is the #1 advocate of my death besides sno, do you really think that we both could be scum?
my read on VA is townish
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Here: On September 13 2013 23:44 Papa_Smurf wrote:
##vote blubb
My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos
Take note that this put me on the hot seat.
and here the post he refers to:
On September 13 2013 23:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 23:30 blubbdavid wrote:On September 13 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote:
bubbles = blubb
Meh, I think I want to lynch blubb or SnB. Feel free to lynch SnB, that way you will get more info. I won't support it, but also don't want to defend him. Aren't you supposed to be summoning people to your zealos lynch with well thought analysis instead of randomly commenting on the SnB lynch that you don't care about it?
After that I did an analysis on Zealos to satisfy papa.
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What I agree with OP:
- Zealos is not useful
- Having this many lurkers in d2 is not useful that's why lurker lynches may be justified. (But now with the return of Onegu/Oats, the lurker deadweight danger has a bit diminished.=
What I find scummy:
-him saying Grack being a parrot of rayn
-his general pushing against Grack. It's his only non-policy lynch option, his policy lynches being Onegu/Oats, kush and Zealos
-He says that a lynch on kush shall reveal something, but rly at that point noone seems really to be pro/anti kush (except for me and Panda (anti) and maybe Grack (pro)).
@oats But I have revised my views on Grack and kush, if you didn't see that.
-He really wants to see kush dead, and by policy. Is he trying to hide behind policy?
Note that papa and OP were trying to push kush.
Rly this all stands or falls on Zealos, who may just be bad and lazy instead of scummy. If that is the case then OP can become a candidate.
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On September 14 2013 02:19 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 02:14 blubbdavid wrote:Here: On September 13 2013 23:44 Papa_Smurf wrote:
##vote blubb
My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos Take note that this put me on the hot seat. and here the post he refers to: On September 13 2013 23:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 23:30 blubbdavid wrote:On September 13 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote:
bubbles = blubb
Meh, I think I want to lynch blubb or SnB. Feel free to lynch SnB, that way you will get more info. I won't support it, but also don't want to defend him. Aren't you supposed to be summoning people to your zealos lynch with well thought analysis instead of randomly commenting on the SnB lynch that you don't care about it? After that I did an analysis on Zealos to satisfy papa. Still not caught up fwiw. Why would you do something to satisfy anyone? Also iPod posting sucks.
Because papa was correct that I hadn't post anything meaningful against Zealos at that point and it is very well his right to demand some more from me.
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On September 14 2013 02:20 Koshi wrote:
Rayn I want to lynch blubb. I think him and papa smurf are scummers.
Wait. There is a disconnect. If I slip scum, then you think papa must be scum too?
And if I flip town, what then? Maybe Papa is trying to protect SnB by making me bait.
Papa still hasn't posted his stance on SnB and I suggest you, Koshi, to wait till we have that info.
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EBWOP: first line: "If I flip scum..."
Cmon Umasi, I bet it will be easier for town if we cooperate and deliver, and I delivered analysis. It is nothing bad.
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Well since I don't want to lynch kush and I am undecided on OP....
##Vote: strongandbig
Else I die.
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So now that I change my vote, zealos and OP become legit targets again? Goddamn I have bad luck.
On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 01:50 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D After all that time is this the only defense you can muster up? And the least active player at that time was Onegu/Oats.
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Gosh, it is not about who I targeted but about the fact THAT I targeted somebody. I just could have jumped the SnB boat easily. And are you not defending because you feel safe?
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goddamn EBWOP: "jumped on the SnB boat"
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On September 14 2013 03:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 02:56 blubbdavid wrote:So now that I change my vote, zealos and OP become legit targets again? Goddamn I have bad luck. On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote:On September 14 2013 01:50 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D After all that time is this the only defense you can muster up? And the least active player at that time was Onegu/Oats. What do you mean legit targets? I'm confused, you mean because I'm arguing that they are good targets? If you think somebody else is scum you should vote them and push them vocally. Not wait for somebody else to push someone and then hide behind the fact that I'm pushing them. @Umasi I did see your post but I'm going to class in 15 minutes and I need more time to make up my mind. I'll get back to you.
Yes you are right, but I don't want to see my vote to go to waste now that I am in real threat of being eliminated. In a fight between life and death you have to be pragmatic.
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Agreed on Papa/debears. If SnB is scum, then that guy is 100% scum too.
Koshi, your vote is still on SnB and I advise you to leave it there till Papa/debears steps up.
@VA, how much are you suspicious of rayn? Btw I only have that vote on SnB because there are no better alternatives for me atm. Maybe OP.
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Oh look who is back.
Mr Idontanalyseorreadanythingbutblubbersisscumcuzjustbecause.
You will stand there like an idiot after I flip town I assure you.
@VA, what is your opinion on the case of OP.
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For me rayn is town.
But at the same time I think he is wrong on SnB.
Look at this post in desert:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Please read my case and pages 8-10 of the game: Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tutankoopa says this:Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation. This is what happened in chronological order:On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things: On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.
My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted. What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post? 10 hours. 10 hours after Hopeless has answered i ask him about his motives. In that time frame he has done nothing to follow that Hopeless thingy up.
Then he straight out lies of me not letting Hopeless answer first.
When i point out the lie he does this:On August 30 2013 23:36 Tutankoopa wrote:
I didn't follow it up because I didn't get the damming result I was fishing for so there was literally nothing to say. You also kinda interrupted whatever train of thought I might have had when you decided to press the smurfing issue. Which is WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING ALL THE FUCKING GAME WHEN SOMEONE ASKS HIM SOMETHING. He does give fishy answers in the first place and gives totally different answers compared to his first one when asked to clarify.Tutankoopa is mafia!
Same aggressivity as here. But in the end it turns out that both the suspect and rayn are town.
The case on SnB is losing credibility to me.
Well, the following decision has nagged on me the whole evening, ever since Oats came in.
I will go all-in on OP.
##Vote: Old Partner
Now if I stand or fall entirely is up to you guys.
Don't trust Papa. And sno prolly town, albeit a bad one.
Taking a short walk with the dog, I have to get fresh air.
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