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On September 26 2013 07:04 strongandbig wrote:
like seriously you voted oats because he made you repeat yourself about the scum roles thing
vayne was actually confirmed scum. why in the fuck would you not have voted him. he was actually confirmed lying about the roleblock
Oats deserved to be lynched.
At first Vayne deserved to be lynched at least only for not making any sense at all and making my brain hurt. But then Oats got retarded so yeah it's his fault
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why are people blaming rayn?
he explained monumentally clearly why Vayne was mafia and oats couldn't follow basic logic. oats threw the game, not rayn.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
GG guys, thanks for playing! I hope the game was fun for you 
In my opinion town mvp was rayn (even if he got sidetracked by Oats in lylo), unfortunately for town not enough to pull through.
On the Scum side Grackaroni was the standout player to me.
I will do a more lengthy post on setup, balance and the game in general later, probably tomorrow
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Blazinghand
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Rayn is almost certainly town MVP. He had good reads all game. The fact that he failed to push his reads is unfortunate, but at least he had good reads! Many games I fail to even have good reads.
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rayn DID push his reads.
but you can't argue against fullblown nonsense when you've pushed the correct idea 100 times with 100 different formulations to get the point across.
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I genuinely thought Oats had to be mafia because he was actively trolling rayn this cycle when rayn had explained in detail, and pretty patiently, why Vayne had to be mafia.
If a townie decides not to listen then, there's not a lot you can do.
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On September 26 2013 07:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Rayn is almost certainly town MVP. He had good reads all game. The fact that he failed to push his reads is unfortunate, but at least he had good reads! Many games I fail to even have good reads.
I will either stop playing mafia or i will go back to "shout so hard you get whoever you want lynched" because idiots like SnNB make me feel so bad for myself.
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forget s&b, listen to me.
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From Oat's point of view, he had everything needed to have the game solved:
On September 26 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 02:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 26 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man I really want to go to sleep.
Vayne, who thinks you are town? ME!.
Who wants to mislynch people? SCUM.
Therefore Im not scum. Or Im scum with you. Right? So vote for rayn. Voting for rayn makes me scum unless really bastard hosting. 2 shot vig is only possible with a doctor, rayn is not scum. So that means you are scum. YOU SEE THE PROBLEM I HAVE HERE? One way, mechanics says that its unlikely. Another way, my reads say that you and Grack arent scum. Those are the 2 possible scumteams.
Vayne/Grack
Rayn/Pandain. So which one should I vote for Vayne?
...but wtf went through his head to be so wrong when he had it the "easiest" lol
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I mean, he failed to successfully push his reads. I'm not saying he didn't play a great game. Obviously it's the fault of everyone he didn't convince, also. But when it comes down to it, no matter how effective your arguments appear to be, whether or not they actually convince people is the only measure of whether your argument was effective.
It's also still possible that oats is just an obstinant turd and hey at LYLO that happens
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On September 26 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, he failed to successfully push his reads. I'm not saying he didn't play a great game. Obviously it's the fault of everyone he didn't convince, also. But when it comes down to it, no matter how effective your arguments appear to be, whether or not they actually convince people is the only measure of whether your argument was effective.
You know, I think I've believed this for a long time.
But I don't think I actually do anymore.
I've seen town after town recently (including ones with me in it) simply refuse to see the right answer. At some point the onus is on the people making the wrong decisions, not the one pushing the correct decisions.
rayn's arguments were effective and irrefutable. But he ran into insurmountable resistance from a townie.
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It was impossible to convince the town this game.
Look at what happened on D3. I had to fucking choose between confirmed town and 99% confirmed town BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTION FOR LYNCH AND EVERRYONE JUST "##YOLO LETS KILL KUSH BECAUSE ITS FUNNN!"!!"
fuck this shit.
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I seriously thought Oats and Vayne were scum.
First they both trolled, thinking they were both caught.
But then they made a plan: Oats acts retarded and gets lynched. Vayne starts acting more natural, and convinces people he and Oats can't be scumbuddies (by directly discussing shit with Oats, etc).
Then Oats gets lynched, Vayn kills rayn at night, and next day he uses Pandani as puppet to lynch Grack (considering he "can't be scum with Oats" based on the previous plan).
.....this game my "theories" were too good to be true >_>
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Rayn you were the only player that caught on to our scum team. I was just trolling you at the end because I was excited for my first mafia win. I was surprised Oats did that 180 it really looked for a second like he was locked down on me/vayne.
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On September 26 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was impossible to convince the town this game.
Look at what happened on D3. I had to fucking choose between confirmed town and 99% confirmed town BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTION FOR LYNCH AND EVERRYONE JUST "##YOLO LETS KILL KUSH BECAUSE ITS FUNNN!"!!"
fuck this shit.
He was literally claiming debears was scum.
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On September 26 2013 07:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was impossible to convince the town this game.
Look at what happened on D3. I had to fucking choose between confirmed town and 99% confirmed town BECAUSE I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTION FOR LYNCH AND EVERRYONE JUST "##YOLO LETS KILL KUSH BECAUSE ITS FUNNN!"!!"
fuck this shit. He was literally claiming debears was scum.
how many mafia do you know who will push the cop who is clearly cop as mafia despite the fact it will get them lynched?
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Thx for hosting as well obviously. Was perfect.
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On September 26 2013 07:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn you were the only player that caught on to our scum team. I was just trolling you at the end because I was excited for my first mafia win. I was surprised Oats did that 180 it really looked for a second like he was locked down on me/vayne.
Everything Oats did this game after D1:
X says something.
"X IS SCUM"
Y says something.
"Y IS SCUM"
A says something.
"A, B and C ARE SCUM! FINAL!"
Z says something.
"Z IS SCUM! A IS TOWN!"
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..... repeat
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My shoutouts for the game:
The hosting crew for an excellent setup, smoothly ran
rayn for being good and right
Koshi for looking really town and getting VA really early
Grack for doing an amazing job as mafia
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Sometimes you just cannot win at lylo, since it is not necessarily your fault for not convincing others but other peoples for not listening. I went through the same thing in one of my games. Be glad that you played a solid town game all around and were the only one to actually catch the scumteam!
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