On September 23 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote: sn0_man being afk this long seems like a decent sign though, he might have just given up after looking that its impossible for him not to be lynched
I don't believe there is a framer. Godfather alove vs a weak cop is enough and given that there are 2 anti-town players amongst non-scum makes it far more likely there is no framer. The cop is basically useless if there is a framer.
a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc
Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side.
That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't.
that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me.
On September 23 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote: a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc
Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side.
That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't.
that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me.
My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities.
That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum. For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)?
On September 23 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote: a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc
Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side.
That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't.
that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me.
My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities.
That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum. For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)?
Because frankly, I am tunneling since pandain is lurking and you aren't making sense to me. I did outline all the scenarios and pandain seems like the safest bet to me as I explained. I don't enjoy that you are ignoring that.
I can admit I am somewhat tunneling but I definitely have reason to. You have made this game impossible for me whether you are town or scum by calling me scum the entire game.
On September 23 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote: a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc
Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side.
That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't.
that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me.
My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities.
That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum. For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)?
Because frankly, I am tunneling since pandain is lurking and you aren't making sense to me. I did outline all the scenarios and pandain seems like the safest bet to me as I explained. I don't enjoy that you are ignoring that.
I can admit I am somewhat tunneling but I definitely have reason to. You have made this game impossible for me whether you are town or scum by calling me scum the entire game.
I have not called you scum the entire game. I started calling you scum when you started making strange conclusions that made zero sense.
After all, i really do not think there is a framer, because that seems impossible to me. You also called debears claim fake, and when people disagreed with it you went from it to "okay then there has to be framer". That to me seems like you are just trying to cover your own ass without making people "confirmed town". You think objectively as town, and while your reads are sometimes weird you start making sense at some point in the game. Now you are not really making sense.
I tried to analyze the all possible situations @ D3 start by bringing in vote analysis and stuff. I would expect you to join into the discussion if you were town (as you were there at that time). You didn't.
Theses are the things that make me think you are scum.
But it doesn't matter now, we look at the game again when Snodude flips SK. Before that i have pretty much nothing to say.
On September 23 2013 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: I never called debears claim fake >> I have said it was real the entire game! Lying is bad!
I analysed the votes, I have quoted the post multiple times, lying is bad!
why are all your reasons that im scum based on lies?
Your posts around the claim imply so. You want to out more blues. Yes, and your game now revolves around there being a framer, and not re-analyzing the situation.
You stick to the conclusion and make the game adapt to your reads instead of adapting to what has happened in the game. If you are town and there is a framer then you were right and i was wrong, the cop role was useless in this game and no can do. If there is no framer as i assume and you are town it's your fault if you can't adapt to the situation and look at the game from a fresh perspective.
Isaac's group had become a silent one. Too great were the casualties they had already suffered during this quest. After Ivan's demise, nobody was trying to cheer them up anymore. All that was left was grim determination to bring their enemies to heel. To make sure that the sacrifices of their comrades were not in vain.
Although quiet had become something normal to the group, someone always stood out a bit more in that regard. Whispers and rumors began to say that Sn0_Man was secretly a Proxian. He never talked much because he was afraid of being recognized by his distinct accent. At one campsite the tension finally erupted. Confronted with the accusations Sn0_Man denied everything, said that there was nothing unusual out of his behavior that Oatsmaster should be looked at instead.
Not that talking would have helped him much against grim determination... After the deed was done, the Protectors of Weyard were shaken to the core at the sight of his green blood.
You are Tret, the giant tree guardian of Kolima forest. While initially you were hostile to Isaac as he helped the citiziens of Kolima, who were hurting your forest, you have became a steadfast ally of Isaac's group as they not only beat you back to your senses but also healed you using the water of the Mercury Lighthouse. In your gratitude you will do anything to help Isaac. You are a Protector of Weyard and have no powers besides your vote. Hunt down all threats to Weyard!
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