new info = new reads

sue me kiddo.

If people would actually vote for you I would lynch you in a heartbeat, but I already tried yesterday and no dice.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 00:20 GMT

#3775

+ doctor = + framer The odds are fine.

I guess you ignored the last line because that plays into not voting for you as well. If you think im just going to leave my vote uselessly at this point you are sadly mistaken.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 16:41 GMT

#3806

sn0 man where art thou, plz come and save this game

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:26 GMT

#3814

it should be obvious that rayn is lying when he expects us to believe there is doctor/cop/vet/mason but scum team only has godfather/rb/goon in this setup. such a joke...

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:28 GMT

#3815

if oats isn't gonna switch then guess we are going after the SK but i already explained why we need to get rid of a scum first but oats won't listen either -_-

##unvote

##vote:rayn

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:30 GMT

#3817

On September 23 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Yeah and Oats is trying to sell people that there is no doctor BUT there is a framer. *ding ding*
And you are doing the same thing here. :D

no i was voting pandain because there is the possibility of a doctor/framer added to the game. But you refuse to read the game so that's why I dont bother talking to you anymore

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:38 GMT

#3819

no more inconceivable then you having me believe that there is 4 town power roles and mafia only has 2.

That would be bastard as shit dude. If you start making sense at any point then I could humor the option of oats/grack scum team and sn0_man being SK.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:39 GMT

#3820

sn0_man being afk this long seems like a decent sign though, he might have just given up after looking that its impossible for him not to be lynched

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 17:59 GMT

#3822

a 1/14 chance makes a role useless but somehow a framer hitting one of you or pandain is asinine/stupid/etc

Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side.

That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't.

that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 18:15 GMT

#3824

On September 23 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities.

That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum.
For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)?

Because frankly, I am tunneling since pandain is lurking and you aren't making sense to me. I did outline all the scenarios and pandain seems like the safest bet to me as I explained. I don't enjoy that you are ignoring that.

I can admit I am somewhat tunneling but I definitely have reason to. You have made this game impossible for me whether you are town or scum by calling me scum the entire game.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 18:31 GMT

#3826

I never called debears claim fake >> I have said it was real the entire game! Lying is bad!

I analysed the votes, I have quoted the post multiple times, lying is bad!

why are all your reasons that im scum based on lies?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 22 2013 22:39 GMT

#3838

we killed the tree dude, best character in the game. all hope is lost

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 23 2013 15:15 GMT

#3847

nah oats im not scum, ive been saying for a while now that pandain/grack are the last 2 scum. its pretty obvious to me but i gave up at this point since i have no credit apparently

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 23 2013 15:40 GMT

#3849

thats just a minor point but yea. In a bigger game I wouldnt see it as a big deal, but when they only have 3 scum of course they are going to panic to save their godfather and make mistakes. I wrote a bunch of other stuff too but too lazy to put it all down again since we lost anyway.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 23 2013 20:43 GMT

#3867

i actually have another theory but I need to see the night actiions. pretty sure rayn is town though. I realized that all 4 main characters were used in the game, which makes sense if you have played. so 4 blue roles actually fits the flavor and stuff.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 23 2013 21:16 GMT

#3878

after all this he still thinks im scum oh my god

if the scum scrubs were paying attention then they saw that rayn pretty much has to be doctor. Accidentally posted the video game flavor stuff before resolution which might have been a mistake.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 23 2013 23:59 GMT

#3884

here we go again. rayn can you explain why you say me and grack are both scum but choose to vote me after I stated that I "know you are town?" this gives you a way to drop a vote on me without me being able to vote you back, essentially locking me into an unwinnable situation when you vote with scum.

Vote grack with me to prove you are town.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 24 2013 00:23 GMT

#3887

On September 24 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Because the only way town can win is if there is no SK. If there is no SK, it means you are lying about N2 roleblock and you roleblocked Koshi instead and hit WoS on N1.

TLDR; If there is no SK, you HAVE to be mafia. If there is SK, town lost already. Therefore everyone who is town should vote for you.

That doesn't make any sense considering I am town, so you probably overlooked something. I agree with you that there is no SK (confirmed by the fact that you were roleblocked/doctor is real by setup deduction) but disagree that this makes me mafia. Why do I have to be lying about the roleblock? I have no reason to do so.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 24 2013 00:25 GMT

#3888

to clarify, it is clear that rayn/pandain are town at this point, oats/grack last two scum.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 24 2013 14:49 GMT

#3925

rayn , why would I ask the mod question about the vet roleblock thing if I was scum and just did that the night before? i would already know the answer. I don't get why you think I have to be scum. I know you are town unless he is seriously messing with us through the characters but i dont believe that to be the case