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On September 20 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
I think that you should have better reads if you are town and actually analyze the thread but I'm just also thrown off by the fact that you didn't seem to have any clue how the RB/veteran worked and I feel like if you were actually scum you would have came in and sheeped Rayn's reasoning rather than writing out that bad case and drawing attention to yourself. God I don't even know what to think at this point could you explain why you think town should have better reads than scum when scum have all the answers to the game, while town don't? rayn is only concerned by the voting aspect of you guys but there is a lot more to it then that. I am confused as to why he is voting me again given that I have shown him that his case doesn't make sense.
lol, because scum doesn't doesn't want to have good reads. Town is trying to actively trying to analyze and solve the game, scum oftentimes just skim through the thread and make shit up.
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@Vayne: I am not scum. Koshi thought that Pandain's intro post was scummy as well and he wasn't scum either. Your reasoning isn't good. If you are town please re-evaluate your reads, eventually you will be lynched because of your continued lack of reasoning and it could very well cost us the game.
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@Rayn: You are satisfied with Oat's recent posts? I think the reason he called me scum for not understanding his reasoning was to appear in my face to me...
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@Pandain: Why is oats town?
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That case from diibbers was bad. sn0 man was talking about Blubbers being scum all throughout his filter day1. It's not like he left his vote there and then had other suspicions and never switched.
People have been doing shit loads of 180s on their reads this game. Oats just switched his read on me from scum to town within a three minute time frame.
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I don't think I can make it. Wouldn't switch on to sn0 man anyways.
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I'd still rather lynch Oats. Debears actually does some analysis and tries to solve the game. Oats just takes random posts and throws out reads at random. The only reasoning he really explained was the reasoning at the start for BH being mafia and even that he was just rehashing old arguments. I don't agree with Pandain that scum would never push BH when he was unlikely to be lynched, players do that all the time to try to get town cred later. Acro did that with Rayn basically all game long in GoT if I remember correctly.
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What is this game.... Kush's reactions to that claim were so freaking scummy.
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@Oats: You said Vayne was 100% Mafia, how does anything that happened last night change that?
Also I'm getting a bad vibe from Rayn, can you explain how SK and mafia know each other? What is that all about?
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On September 20 2013 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If debears & Pandain are scum debears' claim does not makes sense. They are exposing themselves to the SK. That's dumb, he is not fakeclaiming.
I agree that Debears' claim is probably legit because he has the breadcrumbs and he wasn't panicking pre-lynch he was just going "lol idgaf, I'm fine." Plus it's pretty risky to claim cop because if there was another cop he would be one very dead bear.
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I don't really follow and of this Debears/Pandain would be be exposing themselves to the SK logic
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unless you are the SK and you are saying that Debears can't be scum with pandain because he would have just exposed him teammate to me. LOL
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On September 20 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Grack. You think debears is not fakeclaiming. Therefore his checks are real.
That means i am scum with Pandain, or we are both town right?
Yes, but not both mafia together. You would be SK.
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On September 20 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:34 Grackaroni wrote:On September 20 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Grack. You think debears is not fakeclaiming. Therefore his checks are real.
That means i am scum with Pandain, or we are both town right?
Yes, but not both mafia together. You would be SK. So in this case mafia knows the SK and SK knows mafia no?
yeah I mentioned that earlier.
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On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i?
because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that.
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On September 20 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i? because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that. No, i can WIFOM he is mafia with Pandain and lying. kush is already 100% with me.
lol no you couldn't we are at 5-2-1 right now. If you are SK and you had lynched Pandain last round rather than Kush it would be 6-1-1. after that even if you convinced people to kill debears the game would still go on and you would be automatically killed off as the confirmed scum
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On September 20 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno and Grack, the one of you who is town, please start making sense and look at the situation objectively so we can win this game...
I am looking at the situation objectively, I'm just not operating under the assumption that you/Pandain are automatically town.
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On September 21 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster, Grackaroni and Sno_man:
Explain to me how i win as Serial Killer by lynching town!kush over mafia!Pandain from the situation D3? Assume debears is town and telling the truth. Or if you think he is not telling the truht, explain why and then how.
we already did. If you are SK lynching Pandain would force you to get Debears lynched. It's a lynch you would probably lose. hell even Debears already said that you would have lynched kush regardless of your alignment. I don't see why you keep trying to argue that this choice makes it impossible for you to be SK
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I can't speak for other people but if Pandain was lynched yesterday and he flipped red, I would be more inclined to trust Debears and lynch you next than to lynch Debears. Plus I'm pretty sure I remember you outlining a situation where the SK can get to lylo from where we are right now without even being stuck in a kingmaker situation.
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On September 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I can't speak for other people but if Pandain was lynched yesterday and he flipped red, I would be more inclined to trust Debears and lynch you next than to lynch Debears. Plus I'm pretty sure I remember you outlining a situation where the SK can get to lylo from where we are right now without even being stuck in a kingmaker situation. Okay so. Let's assume that would have happened (i hammered Pandain and he flipped red). What are you going to say on D4 when i tell you "Why the fuck would i kill Pandain when it proves i am not town if debears is telling the truth?"
That's actually not a bad argument. Will have to think about this. I still doubt there's many players in this game that would choose to let you win in a kingmaker situation which would be your best scenario.
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