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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 01:04 GMT
#3188
As I said:
Bastard: there were post requirements to his role so I mainly ignored this, also it was a funny game. Was town though
Paranoia: town, actually contributed
Game of thrones: town, actually contributed

His play, although its from a year ago, is most similar to Magic the gathering mafia.

Here's my analysis of Zealos:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 19 2013 00:18 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 23:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 18 2013 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 18 2013 23:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 18 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni actually after re-examining the end of D1 your vote-switch is fucking suspicious. You have your vote on scum. Then you sheep Pandain (your former scumread) to someone else because "he made some good posts and you think he is town".

Because he had valid points and confidently expressed them. The manner in which Oats/WoS/Umasi planted their votes on BH at the time and then disappeared when nobody was pushing hard for his lynch with a well-written case made me think it was more likely that some players in that group were scum just pawning off their vote and that it was not a scum lynch.

First of all it was me/Umasi/WoS who voted for OP at thet time. Oats had voted earlier, and gave reasons for his vote, the reasons were good. You also did agree with me earlier on when i talked about OP! What you just said is simply not true.
...as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points.


Then there is this:
On September 14 2013 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points.

What exactly were those good points Pandain brought up?


The big post Pandain made about the votes falling in on OP too easily and the lack of people vocally defending OP.



Which was true and suspicious. (However I have learned that sometimes townies don't give reasonings as well).

The big three are Vayne, Zealos, and Kush.
If you think I'm mafia because I made logical points which happened to be unfortunately wrong(but not because of my logic), then I can't really say anything because I did indeed help save BH.

I am also way less suspicious of Kush now due to his plethora of contributions lately. In fact, the only thing I really have against him now is that he is having really bad reads as well as his scum slip early on. Also his early spam.

However Zealos is guilty of continual lurking, bad reads, and really everything + more than Kush. Zealos is suspicious in innumerable ways, and I'll just point out the ways in which he's been suspicious that you guys haven't noticed.
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:34 Zealos wrote:
Pandain seems town, so I guess I trust you. Whatever :3
##Vote: Kush


Speaks for itself
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On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote:
I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch
I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it?

##Predayvote:OP

vigipls


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On September 14 2013 22:33 Zealos wrote:
On September 14 2013 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Ah no. Pandain & SnB were pushing the Zealos lynch.
Grack is a poor bystander that trusted Pandain.



OP, SnB, Pandain, Zealos

I'm ok with this if we kill SnB first


Ok with him being scum, doesn't make sense from town perspective. Also disagrees with his previous assertion that OP is a "pre day vote".
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On September 15 2013 09:38 Zealos wrote:
On September 15 2013 07:41 Old Partner wrote:
I'm not saying there's no reason to be suspicious of me-- there obviously is. 2 survivors in a game, especially a normal mini, is pretty rare. But it happens! ShiaoPi is crazy, he'd do it. I'm not confirmed scum. So given that there's a non-zero chance that I am who I say I am, all I ask is this: read what I have to say today. If you dismiss it, you dismiss it. But I will try to convince you to let me live.

yeahh...
no.

Would still rather kill SnB tho.


Again disagrees.

This is okay in itself, townies change opinions and don't have to say why because the thought process is continual rather than in steps, and we don't even see all of those steps.

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On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote:
I've changed my mind again.
If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor"


However this post is so suspicious, OP was already going to be lynched, and this is bad reasoning to the extreme. Seems like a bad attempt to justify a lynch. I don't really see a townie justification, and the reasoning for that lynch is just so bad.


Finally I will note that his play this gamesharply contrasts with his two last town games(excluding bastard mafia which was an anomoly game anyway with weird roles and post requirements), game of thrones mafia, Paranoia Mafia, while being similar to his mafia play in Magic the Gathering Mafia, although a year ago.

Mainly they are different in that Zealos actually tried that game to help figure out stuff; this game there's no real effort. I don't consider his continual accusations of SnB, without any real attempt to get him lynched or convince others, as well as the lack to figure out other people, to disprove my conclusion.

I further disagree with PapaSmurf that even if it indicates he's SK that that means we try and lynch scum instead. If anything, we go straight for the SK so we lower the future KP.

Furthermore, I note that OP only bandwagoned Zealos when it was himself or Zealos, and so scum would logically choose to save the more experienced player as well as the godfather to boot.

Finally, I note that if Zealos turns out to indeed be scum, it helps analyze kush who's been defending him without legitimate reasons and is suspicious as already noted.

If Zealos turns scum , I would assume a Zealos-Kush-BH team as scum with Vayne as the SK.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 01:05 GMT
#3189
However it seems far more likely he's Sk now worth help from you guys
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 02:19 GMT
#3191
Let me know what you think
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 17:12 GMT
#3258
I will explain a vote for Kush as well as why Grack and Oats are town
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 18:54 GMT
#3288
Rayne if you were in university you would understand why I can't really elaborate more.

I've said before Vayne was iffy at best, I've always said Kush was the best bet. Read my filter for plenty of analysis. Vayne is also playing like his town play in Titanic.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 18:56 GMT
#3289
Also grack is why better than Grack in every way except the day one vote which was an honest townie mistake and the right townie mistake to do.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 18:57 GMT
#3290
Grack is better than Kush*
Please people think about honest mafia thought process
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 19:02 GMT
#3295
Oats pushed OP when he wasn't really under any substantial suspicion, left his vote on the mafia vet when it would've been dumb to, made public his controversial opinions later on when a normal mafia would have been terrified to try and save an obvious mafia.

See: Mafia XXX analysis by Ver on mafia thoughts
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 19:03 GMT
#3296
I'm studying, I already missed a class for you guys, you expect way too much of me. There's a lull period right now in our study group
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 19:07 GMT
#3300
I'm not going to repeat myself and waste study time when I've already made my case. I have no new points. Read my filter.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 19:07 GMT
#3301
AFK
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:09 GMT
#3369
On September 20 2013 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see no reason to not believe the claim, vet/mason/parity cop is more than reasonable. If there are any other blues in this game, speak up now. this is important.


No that's dumb unless almost lynched
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:23 GMT
#3407
No, his reaction is so anti-town.

PS claims Isaac(main character who we know is in it due to other roles being Isaac's best friend/mother), and parity cop, and Kush keeps his vote on him.

Being wrong is okay, but he's keeping his vote on him which shows he's desperate.

We next focus on oats/vayne/Sno tommorow. I will do analysis and figure it out.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:25 GMT
#3413
On September 20 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please do not lynch kushmasta, i am sure he ain't scum...


You've been sure everyone has been scum at some point.

100% sure SnB scum, heavily sure that me/grack scum, etc....
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:26 GMT
#3415
Yeah I was. Not anymore.

Kush do you honestly think PS is likely fake claiming? That we don't have an Isaac when everyone is active?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:28 GMT
#3420
On September 20 2013 06:24 kushm4sta wrote:
PS WHY YOU NO CHECK ME


This shows that he believes PS is cop.

Yet he still has a vote on PS
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:35 GMT
#3439
Kush what's your role?
Give role now and pm.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:36 GMT
#3442
I have literally been on the same page(except earlier and better) as the confirmed person now PS.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:38 GMT
#3448
cuz do it cuz i don't know how it worked, if you have to ask for it, if you even have access to the fake claim now.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2013 21:48 GMT
#3470
No, he's also inconsisistant.

He went from "Rayne is the towniest townies to ever town" to "Rayne is def sk"

On September 19 2013 22:19 kushm4sta wrote:
1. Pandain
2. kushm4sta
3. VayneAuthority
7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster
9. raynpelikoneet
10. Grackaroni
12. Papa_Smurf
13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi
14. Sn0_Man
15. Zealos

this is all i know


also this.

Also previous post he was like "three antitown elements are in these four: not rayn"

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