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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 03:57 kushm4sta wrote: Do what? I cant find a town game where you act like a dick to someone because there isn't one. That is my point. What is your most recent scumgame? the one in my profile | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Is it a new acceptable thing for players to say, "do a case on X, but I'm never going to do one on my own"? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Papa_Smurf
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The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 04:41 VayneAuthority wrote: well i've been saying they are both scummy for a while now and ive played multiple times with both of them. at least one is scum im sure of that. rayn would surprisingly be this bad as town, and when koshi looks good he is usually scum. So im having trouble deciding if they are just both scum or I just WANT them to be both scum. I just can't wrap my head around koshi consistently saying I'm scummy, yet never wanting to do a case despite me asking him multiple times and him asking everyone else to. Raynp I think is more likely to be the town if only 1 was town. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? Did I ask you for one? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 10:34 strongandbig wrote: so that means grack is like modconfirmed town right He's confirmed anyways. His play has looked townie as shit anyways. Although that fucking claim was bad grack. You are better than that. If you thought you were shot, why would you give the mafia extra info? They would've been thinking doc over vet man. That's if they even hit you. Anyways Koshi's "plan" is freaking dumb. It doesn't make sense. If this was his plan.... On September 16 2013 08:17 Koshi wrote: And no the information isn't useful. The fucking reason why I am on PS and not on OP is because I want to promote discussion and not let 48 hours go to waste because every fucker in here is voting on OP. Why did he post this about kush's terrible case? On September 15 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote: Kush so town. On September 15 2013 23:46 Koshi wrote: Its win-win tbh. If you are scum you are bussing the red hatted smurf. Now we just wait on OP. There's a difference of pressuring for information, and just stirring up shit. The above "plan" by koshi was just that, stirring up shit. I don't see how he planned to try to convince people to vote me, support bad cases, and not use his own case to pressure me, to just "get a read on me". And, after that, vote BH and convince anyone on my wagon to. I believe Koshi is lying What kind of town tries to form a legit wagon on me just to "promote discussion" despite a locked in lynch? That's really the right way to go? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Totally unacceptable from a town perspective | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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+ Show Spoiler + Must Resist Killing Grack I don't really understand why you unfakeclaimed or what you hoped to accomplish by any of those actions. Don't bother explaining. No explanation can explain that other than "I was high as shit". Do not read this second spoiler unless you want to see me rage some + Show Spoiler + Honestly, I'm done playing for a while with this playerbase after this game. Absolutely ridiculous. Whatever happened to the days where 1) People made cases 2) The accusees counter those cases 3) Everyone else got a read of the above 4) People do vote anaylsis at the end of each day Like, honestly, I saw better play in my newbies than this fucking game | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: So if BH flips none-scum, am I scummier for being correct rayn? I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. Huh? Did oats suddenly get replaced? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not sure about Pandain is because on D1 he changed his reads all over the place for no apparent reasoning. I mean, he called Koshi/Grack scum at some point, then on N1 they were suddenly town for "look at their filters". I think that can come from townie too, but why did he not realize that earlier? The only read for him that remains "static" is kush, and i think he is wrong in that read. I like him realizing Vayne is probably scum. Do you agree with me that at least one of Zealos/Snodude/Umasi is scum? Changing reads constantly on d1 is usually morr indicative of town. Its hard to figure out solid reads with so little information | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i know. It's the reasoning that bothers me (or rather, the lack of it). I'm not too bothered about Pandain atm, if he is town he'll probably get killed at some point. What do you think of my other reads? You can ignore my read on you as it should get better when you contribute to other reads / make your own when you do so. The main thing I need to address is vayne. did you look ay the string of posts early game rigbt after he found out as debears? The posts screamed town to me. Thats the reason for the slight town read. anyways everyone else is same old. Lack of activity going around. nothing new to really say. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 16 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears, about what we talked about vayne. This is what i mean; When he found out you are debears, he got at least a slight scum read on you right? What happens after this. He does never, after that, address you in any way in any of his posts. He does not try to find out if you in fact are scum or not although he thought your meta-read on him was bad. Does that not ring any alarm bells to you? Actually, if you look at the game after that argument with you, vayne does not try to find out whho is mafia, at all. He just picks some comments and says some people are scum because of them. He is not trying to figure out the game, he is posting stuff based on what happens in thread. His conclusions arn't even good. While I cant deny vayne has not looked t9wn recrntly. Why should I lynch him (in whom I see something screaming town) over the lurkers (im whom I see absolutely nothing screaming town. also, do you think kush is town still? I believe you said his case on me wasnt great. Does that case on me reflect his play in persona? Does kush having only one actual read, and a bad case on that read, reflect his play in persona at this point in the game? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 17 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: debears, i mean you are the one who remembers your games the best. Maybe kushmasta is right and you don't get mad as town. Maybe he is wrong, but i actually think it's kinda ridiculous to ask him to quote all your town games ever and say "see, there is nowhere to be found you get mad as town". You can easily do that, you just have to find one thing, and if you are town you should do so, because that makes kushmasta to look elsewhere. In case he is scum he might fuck up or continue the tunnel on you for no reason. In case he is town he will try to prove that in other ways (attacking other people). At this point his tunnel feels justified to me. The funny thing is in Mario mini I exploded on hapa when he wouldnt give me a meta read when I asked, an actual case when he asked. I was a dick to/lectured hopeless multiple times. And I already included quotes for that game. In fact, town almost lynched me for being emotional. Hopeless was all over me for being dickish to him Notice how kush had to "change" his case when I had disproved it. Thens he says "oh nvm you arent a dick as town. That shows mr his is trying to fit his arguments tor his read, note the other way around, which means hes not actually trying to figure me out. not to mention he has not shown how my play thisbgame is scummy in itself | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before. he might be actually learning how to play. That's my theory, anyhow | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 17 2013 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: My case was amazing and right. Completely different attitude as scum. Show me debears insulting someone as town. My reads right now are panda grack debears. It's just I have not written a case on the other two. This is scum kush right here. "My case is so right". Then picking 2 of the towniest players in the thread, and one that is considered town by about half the thread as the scumteam. Yeah right. Kush, there's a reason why no one has ever made a meta case on me. Because I play the same as either alignment. The fact that are building your case around your read and not your read around your case is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: 1) also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. 2) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): already have disproved 1) and 2a) On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: 3) As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ 4) Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. 5) You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ 6) Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: 7) @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you. 1) Already show how I have simplistic reads that are very successful (especially lately) 2) Funny thing is, if you look at desert postgame. I was bitching at raynp there after I stopped here. It's non alignment indicative. I even said don't consider it as part of my filter I'm pretty sure. 3) is definitely misconstrusing my contributions this game. 1st, there is/was no reason to wifom about the WoS nk. It should be pretty clear that scum would not shoot him. Scum's goal is to get rid of the towniest players. WoS was not a "towniest" player. Also, if things like these were my only contributions, then you'd have something. You are cherrypicking 1 quote and ignoring the cases in my filter. 5) Repeating the points in 2 4 and 6) These points are both bullshit, and totally misrepresent my meta, because you should have read Mario mini's day 1 if you want to know my meta when I'm like this. I freak out over stupidity and bad cases on me. Yours is that. I did in in MM, and I'm doing it here, because I think you aren't that fucking bad as town to come up with such a horrible misrepresentative case. 7) Now he comes up with "oh debears is a dick as scum" after I purge his "emotional" tell. And you know what? He hasn't shown any quotes from my scum game of me being a pure dick. I'd love to see that. Kush claimed to have read my games, yet his failure to recognize the similar circumstances between this game and mario mini (day 1) are amazingly unacceptable. That means he didn't read my games. He skimmed and cherrypicked. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 17 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's because i have been trying to figure out wtf is with that case from both sides of the argument.. My D1 play somehow always ends up being a clusterfuck whether or not i am right on my top scumread. It always happens, people (scum or town) find some reason to not lynch someone i want to and some fucking lurker is gonna get lynched and they always turn up town. I dunno, i just can't help it.. :/ Eh I have some interesting stuff from you in postgame about the current scum trends that I'm seeing (even in the all star mafia game that marv is in). And the general town trends | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 17 2013 01:36 Old Partner wrote: Can I hear it now? I don't want to wait ;_; PM me when you are dead and I will reveal all in terms of the mafia trends :D | ||
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