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On August 31 2013 00:25 Tutankoopa wrote:
If there's someone you think is scum you should pursue it. I'm sure you can get hooked up with some town-cred if you have a compelling argument. If it's a highly improbable lynch candidate... whatever, I guess.
Eh it's a little bit of meta then a little bit of gameplay. I'd say it's highly improbable lynch for now, especially with the scummy lurk city we got going on
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totally fine with an alak lynch, complaining about the post count and stuff to read and has no idea where to find scum and is relying on town to give him targets.
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On August 31 2013 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
totally fine with an alak lynch, complaining about the post count and stuff to read and has no idea where to find scum and is relying on town to give him targets.
With the amount of crap in this thread, it is understandable, especially with only 8 hours. I'd say judge him on hopeless's posts, which do have the merit for a lynch.
The VT claim I never like, but who knows why he did it. Seems like axle lol
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yeah I wanna lynch hopeless and alak doesnt give me any reason not too lol.
There are so many 1 liners man, it doesnt take that long to read like 30ish pages.
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On August 31 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something!
Back, awake, and catching up.
Whats up?
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Man he was replaced... K...
hrm. I feel less good about a hopeless/alakazam lynch than i did yesterday. Guess I'll reread hopeless/oats/onegu/sylencia and try to find something new or something I missed.
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On August 30 2013 23:34 debears wrote:
@Hapa
Can you remind me after lynch of something I need to talk to you about? A certain person is doing something off of his normal town game (at least I think he is). I don't think I would be able to get him lynched at this point.
You don't need my approval to say something. Say it.
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##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum.
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Also, these last 10 pages or so really make me want to kill Oats.
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On August 29 2013 09:40 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... I actually would like you to explain me why would scum make a post Sn0 did? Think for a moment you are scum, would you do that? Think for a moment you would. Why would you do that? Demonstrates I'm "actively reading", albeit it's flavor text. Also a moderate amount of paranoia to look like I'm scared of all the things. Furthermore, errant setup speculation is definitely something mafia wants to do to look like they're contributing. As an OP, its a null post. If he were to make that type of post tomorrow, I'd call him scum on the spot.
Hmmm something I just thought of. Why would hopeless as town target only TK for setup speculation? Why not also scribs who did similar twice?
Kinda odd to pick out only one blemished apple in a bunch when there is a second
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Hapa.
Why do replacements get a free pass, and why arent you the one who steps up and hunts scum?
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On August 31 2013 03:24 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... I actually would like you to explain me why would scum make a post Sn0 did? Think for a moment you are scum, would you do that? Think for a moment you would. Why would you do that? Demonstrates I'm "actively reading", albeit it's flavor text. Also a moderate amount of paranoia to look like I'm scared of all the things. Furthermore, errant setup speculation is definitely something mafia wants to do to look like they're contributing. As an OP, its a null post. If he were to make that type of post tomorrow, I'd call him scum on the spot. Hmmm something I just thought of. Why would hopeless as town target only TK for setup speculation? Why not also scribs who did similar twice? Kinda odd to pick out only one blemished apple in a bunch when there is a second
There's very little point in questioning someone who's not going to be here. At this point, I'm waiting for Alakaslam to give his thoughts on who should be lynched.
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@ Oats
Before your long 24-hour-ish absence in the thread, you were suspicious of a list of people, including TK, marv, and others.
Now all of a sudden when you get back to the thread...
On August 30 2013 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
IM BACK GUYS.
im seriously really busy like I said pregame.
Hopeless looks like scum and rayn looks like he cant let go of a bad point.
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless
Would you lynch debears? I really didnt like his case on Scib.
... you sheep all possible thread sentiment. Not only have you neatly fallen onto the Hopeless bandwagon, but you all of a sudden find TK town.
Furthermore, I have no idea why you'd be exploring the idea of lynching debears if you were as convinced as you are about thinking Hopeless is scum.
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On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish
Says he is ok with a FT lynch here.
On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing
Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts.
On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2?
Again says he is ok with a FT lynch
On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect.
Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches.
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Why does FT need to die Onegu? Yes he's a lurker, but at this rate, he's going to get replaced/modkilled if he keeps not-posting.
With what's in his filter, he is quite literally a coin-flip lynch.
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On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum.
It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
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Continuing what hapa says, this coin flips at a rate of around 75% town simply due to probability.
Yes he needs to not play like this but lynching him isn't really the best choice day 1. I'd need a lot of shining beacons of towniness everywhere else to lynch tofu right now, although if he shows up and doesn't improve that could change.
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On August 31 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something! Back, awake, and catching up. Whats up?
Look at my last post about Tutankhamon, compare that with what marv did after. What can you see?
I think Tutandude is totally scum. I am bad at explaining but that's fucking damning. marv soft-defending him from start of the game is weird. He always fucks off when i post something good about my scumread on tut. Also i do not think hopeless/alkaslam is mafia. The wagon is fishy.
Lynch tutandude.
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Onegu brings up a decent point on Syl pushing him on the FT lynch
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On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
I hate to bring up meta-gaming reasons, but usually when someone replaces in a "hopeless" situation (pun intended) such as this, they're usually demoralized town.
And how is there a good chance that FT is scum? All we know is that he's afk and is going to get modkilled/replaced.
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