On August 30 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: lol never seen scum bus before rayn? no objection to a lynch is a bad reason to not lynch someone... Isnt the scum motivation mislynching Tuken and appearing town by pushing something?
Why would scum not even try to push any lynch? Do you think every townie is playing so well mafia can't possibly mislynch after 12h into the game? Because that's when the Hopeless wagon started and nobody ever opposed it before i did.
On August 30 2013 17:22 Tutankoopa wrote: Syl I think there are things more deserving of your attention than what you chose to post about. What are your thoughts regarding thread sentiment, and has anything stuck out at you from any of the major discussions?
In regards to the players whom I've played with before, nothing really sticks out as being out of the ordinary from when they've been town. The only thing I'm concerned about going into D1 lynch is that we've spread ourselves thin on lynch targets for the day. It's fine that we're suspecting each other but if everyone suspects someone else then we're not going to be able to coordinate a proper lynch and scum can manipulate us rather easily. I doubt this would ever pass but considering we have 5 people with votes on them at the moment - would it be wrong to suggest that we stick to the 5 listed and consolidate on them instead?
Note: This doesn't mean that we completely ignore the rest of the town, but considering there's only about 12 hours left in the day, those cases can be put forward N1 onwards. This will also help us prevent unwanted last minute bandwagons on someone completely irrelevant and we remain focused on the main suspects.
Pretty sure I went off topic there, but it's something I was considering before.
So you are saying that scum team just decided to roll over and die from the beginning because "town too good"? Hard-bussing D1 is stupid, and you can always avoid it unless town is a perfection. At least you can try by not looking scummy for it.
Do you, Oats, think Tutankoopa has put effort in finding mafia? Do you think his reads are reasonably explained?
On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote: I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it
Hopeless quotes
"Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats"
"Your initial vote was not entirely damning."
"3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else." --- I think he's referring to my first vote.
"My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote."
I have no idea when or why he thought I was scum during any of that earlier stuff. At times it looks like he knows the early vote was nothing substantial, at other times he is insistent that I was pushing for a lynch.
For further reading, I recently made a post about how all of his actions from page 2 onward are built on the assumption that rayn is town. That doesn't ring any alarms?
Why would mafia!Hopeless not back off from the accusation (regarding your policy-vote) in the (3) point and/or in the point you bolded? Many people pointed out how dumb his accusation regarding your policy-vote was, many people pointed out he is becoming a suspect because of that, don't you think his scummates would have not told him to cut that off and say "yeah i can see that now, i was wrong"? I would have definitely done so if my scumbuddy did something that stupid. I think your second quote is taken out of context because Hopeless also gave other reasons for you to be mafia (your reads post which really was full of nothing). I also think Hopeless has clearly expressed he has a townread on me and reasons for it, why is this more suspicious than let's say sciberbia having a 95% town-read on me?
He did in fact back down. He started at "TK is scummily pushing a policy lynch" and later ended up saying "My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote."
It's not only him having a town rayn read on page 2. It's how that town read is the foundation for many of his actions. An easy way to make cases as mafia is to pick on people who are erroneously accusing other townies.
I think I'm gonna sit back for a bit and see what's going on with the replacement.
On August 30 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are saying that scum team just decided to roll over and die from the beginning because "town too good"? Hard-bussing D1 is stupid, and you can always avoid it unless town is a perfection. At least you can try by not looking scummy for it.
Do you, Oats, think Tutankoopa has put effort in finding mafia? Do you think his reads are reasonably explained?
Has hopeless? Can you really compare their two filters and say Tutan has explained less than hopeless? this tunnel is getting really fishy, rayn.
On August 30 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone look at what i asked Tutan about his question to Hopeless? I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question.
Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say?
You are being stupid. Stop distracting us from looking at legimate lynch targets
Take another look at Onegu and Syl. They are both posting and I don't like their posts.
Hopeless....is welll.....hopeless i suppose. The dude isn't posting and he's writing himself a death sentence
On August 30 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote: yamato, if you're not going to read the thread yourself, you're worthless.
Three of us have made consolidated posts on hopeless (hapa, scib, me) so if you've missed them / not read them, you're already being a liability. Please stahp.
Open our filters and ctrl-f hopeless for god's sakes.
My iPhone doesn't have control F, so don't rely on that with me.
I'm reading two games, one of which is aperture and you know where else I am Marv. Nonetheless I will try, I will try!
On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote: I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding.
Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch.
Do it please.
FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy.
Eh marv I'd rather hope we have a vig to handle that. That, and I would expect scum to have some sort of thread presence.
On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote: I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding.
Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch.
Do it please.
FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy.
Eh marv I'd rather hope we have a vig to handle that. That, and I would expect scum to have some sort of thread presence.
What part of terribly terribly coinflippy did you take to mean I thought he was a good lynch for today?
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.
1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?
Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.
Much of H's play was him being skeptical of the rayn voter(s). He says that rayn is being too stupid to be mafia. The full picture is that everything he posts and all of his accusations are based off of his page 2 Rayn town read. By asking those questions I was basically fishing for more evidence that Hopeless knew rayn's alignment.
If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid?
Stupidity is a common target of policy lynchers. Hopeless doesn't have to agree with the policy, but surely if he think's you're being stupid he would be able to understand why people might want to policy lynch you.... or at least have a reasonable idea why.
On August 30 2013 22:30 Tutankoopa wrote: Do people want me to keep talking to rayn?
Not really.
Got a casual read on Sn0 lying around? Apologies if I missed you talking about him previously
Way back in the game I saw him say something like "Nvm, I lied." I thought it was townie and haven't paid attention to him since then. No, it's not the best town-tell.... but it is what it is.
Tutankoopa; actually. How does the bolded part make sense? Hopeless had already answered your question and you never followed it up (before or after i asked for your motives). Was there something else you wanted to find out besides Hopeless' answer and why did you never follow up your first set of questions to him?
EPT
This is terrible
