EPTUh... then I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to him "ignoring" TK's defense, I think that's plenty scummy.
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Uh... then I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to him "ignoring" TK's defense, I think that's plenty scummy. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote: You just stopped halfway through your thought process. Does not compute. Do you think that "stopping halfway through one's thought process" is a 100% damning scum-tell? | ||
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For example, Onegu and Syl are pretty lynch-baity types. Onegu seems like he's trying to contribute, but for whatever reason it's coming across as awkward. He's definetely +1'ing a lot of posts, but I really don't think that's malicious. Gut-read town on him. Sylencia I get some scum-vibes from. He's always pretty lurky, but I'm used to him being more forceful/articulate with his reads. So when I see something like this... On August 29 2013 16:30 Sylencia wrote: Sn0, not really - reading his second post makes it look like he skimmed the thread, unvoted and went off to sleep or something. If he was around for hours I would've expected more than 2 posts there. debears - Agreed, mainly so far just due to the fact he's pushing on a lynch based on an exaggerated statement - at least I assume it was exaggerated. Given the rest of the post I'm quoting, maybe it's not but I saw it as being exaggerated. yamato - He's not avoiding discussion (I think), I just think his read on marv is weak. It sets off some alarm bells. None of these are really... reads. Maybe the debears one could be considered a read, but he even back-tracks on himself and discredits himself while making it. Also, after seemingly defending Sn0 above, he turns around and comes back finding Sn0 suspicious for the same reasons that he disagreed with Scib on: On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote: What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play  That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave. In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves. That's a really huge shift in tone from the previous posts. In his previous post, he passively and wishy-washily disagrees with Sciberia on his Sn0 read, then all of a sudden in this post, basically mimic's Scib's logic and seemingly finds Sn0 to be a strong scum-read. On a seperate note, Yamato falls into this null category for me right now. His early-game posting gave me town-vibes initially (sarcastic, fearless - more of a meta-thing). However he's done very little this game other than a) antagonize marv and b) make this terrible post about myself/marv and only being concerned about our allignments. Really he just hasn't done anything this game. I'm leaning scum, but we'll see what he comes up with when he gets back. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote: Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far? ... I don't think that post by debears (on Onegu) says much. I do like the fact that he was willing to substantiate some other of his reads while stuck in a mad-tunnel on Sciberia, but I think the content could come from scum or town debears. As far as his game goes, he seems aggressive right now, which is good. Looking back on his Sciberia tunnel, there seems to be a "madness" about it that I associate with a town mindset. He's constantly peppering scib with questions, and while he's stubborn as a mule about it, he's constantly trying to figure out scib's allignment and even gets pissed when scib ignores him. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo. Thing is, I really don't understand how that's a scum-motivated thought process. Where is the scum-motivation in literally giving up a free tunnel? It's just as easy for scum to sit there and keep tunneling Rayn, but instead it seems like he realized a mistake and backed off. Though you seem incessantly stubborn on this point, so I'm not sure how much you can be convinced off of it. Do you have any scum-reads other than TK? Why are you not asking TK any questions? Are you 100% certain he's scum? Because you're acting like it. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:27 marvellosity wrote: Not his game, this game, I was after your general feelings about how the game as a whole has gone so far. Not the best town-atmosphere in the world, but it's OK for now. Atleast discussion is happening, even if there's more bickering than I'd like. It's within the realm of a normal early D1, and this game will be won or lost in the work done in the next 72-96 hours or so. I will say that I am *very* worried about how this town can function with some of its vocal, calmer members get killed early on. | ||
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Can you comment on this Hopeless thing? Also, comments on my Syl/Onegu/Yamato thoughts from above would be appreciated. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:35 Hopeless1der wrote: ... @Hapa Rayn and Oats have already asked/brought up concerns I had, so I would have been parroting them if I asked more questions. I'm not 100% convinced, but he's my strongest read. I don't have legit scumreads formed on anyone else yet. Mostly lurkers bothering me and debears being silly. I figure I'm in a similar boat to your feelings on him. Maybe not so strong as you. Well now's the time to ask him some questions since you and TK are both in the thread. Give the guy something specific to respond to, and we can go from there. This lack of communication on both sides isn't helping anyone. | ||
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On August 30 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: I'm stuck in his filter currently, I think I'm being dumb because I'm finding it tremendously difficult to work out how he's hopped around, even with his own explanations I have written down that I think the post you quoted in your case looks worse as a standalone than in context - he was asked specifically to comment on those 3 players, and I can understand not being that decisive when talking about players you were asked to talk about I can understand why the former post is wishy-washy. It's just the next post that's so strange to me - I can't understand how he gets from point a) to point b). But yes, he seems very incoherent this game. And in the past, he's usually much more upfront about things (even if lurky) | ||
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Where'd you both run off to? | ||
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On August 30 2013 07:19 Tutankoopa wrote: No. I already said earlier that his posts seem innocent enough. What posts in particular seem "innocent?" Also, what do you make of the contradiction I pointed out in his filter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=27#522 | ||
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On August 30 2013 07:20 Tutankoopa wrote: To clarify, I get the feeling that's he's doing this on his own and is therefore town. It's not the best explanation, but I'm not sure how else to express the "innocent" read. Yeah I'm not sure what you mean by this. Scum can definetely "play on their own" and don't necessarily take orders from their scum-buddies. Does that mean you feel he's not playing with extra information? Is there anything specific you can point to? | ||
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On August 30 2013 07:23 Tutankoopa wrote: Are we attacking people for dropping contradictions? Yeah it's odd, but not much more than that. It's not even the most glaring of contradictions. Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads. | ||
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On August 30 2013 07:32 sciberbia wrote: You're correct that the town thought-process is hard to see there. But it's also hard for me to believe that he read sn0's filter, gave a null read, then five hours later read the same exact filter, forgot he had given a null read, and then gave a town read. Well at this point, it's much easier for me to accept the scum-explanation than the town-explanation. That being said, Syl's responses will be much more informative to all of this than any discussion we could have about it amongst ourselves. | ||
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xD I have scum-reads on both Syl and Hopeless at this point. The problem is that they're not talking enough >> | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote: If I'm wrong, why are your early posts so trash? Isn't this the 3rd game in a row where you think my early game posts are bad (and scummy) because I tend to force things early on? I make bad cases early on all the time. In fact almost every single one of my town games recently starts with a terribly bad D1 case that draws some flak on me. In a somewhat twisted way, I kind of enjoy the flak though, because it gets me thinking and involved in the game. | ||
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