EPTRegarding fakeclaims (since that seems to be the discussion topic)... they're not good.
I understand the individual short-term objectives behind each of your claims (saving Oats, etc), but that analysis fails to take into account the much more important long-term ramifications of your actions. The main one being your in-game perception.
Towns often want to sheep level-headed town leaders, who they perceive as both in-control and objective. When you start fake-claiming at the drop of a hat, you come across as emotional and spazztic. It's no coincidence that people weren't listening to you in the early game - because your play in the early game (exacerbated by the fake claims) didn't project a "town leader" persona. It destroyed a lot of the credibility you had in the thread, which is a shame because you're a damn good player when you keep your emotions in check.
In regards to the individual claims themselves, I think the justifications behind them begin to break down when you start to analyze more of these long-term ramifications:
On September 13 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is it:
My mason claim:
- To keep Oats, obvious townie alive. Definitely helped town, would have helped more if Oats was not a retard and would have realized he should go with the plan. Mafia could have shot me (because scum don't want confirmed town alive). Even if i was scum Oats should have gone with it, because if he get's shot that will point fingers on me as he'll flip non-mason.
Here is it:
My mason claim:
- To keep Oats, obvious townie alive. Definitely helped town, would have helped more if Oats was not a retard and would have realized he should go with the plan. Mafia could have shot me (because scum don't want confirmed town alive). Even if i was scum Oats should have gone with it, because if he get's shot that will point fingers on me as he'll flip non-mason.
Yes you saved Oats, however the claim was so sudden and confusing that it pushed the town to lynch a random lurker (FirmTofu) and removed a lot of potential vote controversy and information. The claim was one of the huge factors in destroying the possibility of a productive Day 1 lynch.
Furthermore, Oats ended up getting lynched anyway the next day. Your claim only temporarily saved Oats and created a ton of confusion (bad) in the process.
My getting shot claim:
There was a possibility scum hit doc's target and debears was making a big play. I could not believe he was a vet as i was (and i was correct lol). Bad decision, but whatevs. Me claiming to be shot lead me after marv on D2-D3 start. HE was very eager in knowing what happened with the shots N1 and N2. Scum tend to want to know if there really is SK or not. Town doesn't care so much, they need to kill any anti-town.
There was a possibility scum hit doc's target and debears was making a big play. I could not believe he was a vet as i was (and i was correct lol). Bad decision, but whatevs. Me claiming to be shot lead me after marv on D2-D3 start. HE was very eager in knowing what happened with the shots N1 and N2. Scum tend to want to know if there really is SK or not. Town doesn't care so much, they need to kill any anti-town.
This wasn't too terribly bad on a macro level, however it was still a huge mistake. Firstly, claiming veteran is a really bad idea in general, even when you get shot. You basically tell scum exactly what happened with their KP, which they wouldn't know otherwise.
Also, your claim actually created an information advantage for the scum here. Scum knew they had 1KP. Town (and myself) ran around for a while trying to figure out where a 2nd KP came from that never existed. It's small (and was ultimately inconsequential), but creating information advantages for scum is generally a really bad idea.
My SK claim last night:
I tried to fake i am SK so that Onegu would think he loses unless he shoots me. :D
I tried to fake i am SK so that Onegu would think he loses unless he shoots me. :D
This was OK.
Anyway Rayn, the larger point here is that playing town is more than about pushing your reads at the expense of everything else in the thread. You can't walk into a thread and go "fuck everything else, I'm going to push my reads", because you're going to fuck thread atmosphere in the process.
I think you'll notice that when you began to calm down (after Day 2), all of a sudden everyone started listening to you and you led two scum lynches. If there's anythign to take away from this game, this is it. You have the scum-hunting skills, but you'll be a fantastic player when you learn how to play diplomat a bit more.
