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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:26 GMT
#930
I can deal with people not understanding what i mean. This is not anything like that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:27 GMT
#932
On August 31 2013 04:26 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote:Tutankoopa

and wtf is this. say something?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:29 GMT
#936
On August 31 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
changing my mind is a scumtell since when Hapa?


It's a mix of two things. The first is that you changed your mind to exactly sheep thread sentiment... which is... odd for you. Having seen you fight against thread sentiment to push your own ideas tooth and nail in my previous town games with you, this version of Oats looks downright passive.

Furthermore, I can usually get that paranoid townie feeling from you very early on. You're generally much more all-over-the-place than this.

Otas is town. He does not attack you if he was scum. He can't because you murder him. FFS.
marv totally misrepresents Oats' meta. Oats, can you clarify this? Take a look what me and marv talked about you. Comment on it please.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:33 GMT
#941
On August 31 2013 04:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Quick question for those who have played with Sciberbia. Does he always play very deliberate and calculated even when he is town? I am unfamiliar with his meta.

yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:36 GMT
#942
On August 31 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
changing my mind is a scumtell since when Hapa?


It's a mix of two things. The first is that you changed your mind to exactly sheep thread sentiment... which is... odd for you. Having seen you fight against thread sentiment to push your own ideas tooth and nail in my previous town games with you, this version of Oats looks downright passive.

Furthermore, I can usually get that paranoid townie feeling from you very early on. You're generally much more all-over-the-place than this.

Otas is town. He does not attack you if he was scum. He can't because you murder him. FFS.
marv totally misrepresents Oats' meta. Oats, can you clarify this? Take a look what me and marv talked about you. Comment on it please.


Marv is absolutely terrible at reading Oats fwiw. I'd expect him not to have a good grasp of Oats' meta.

As far as Oats attacking me... where has he attacked me? I've seen him rage-tunnel me for days when I was a clear town-leader. The stuff he's done this game is a joke in comparison.

Yet he disagrees with me on my meta read on Oats that has never been wrong (okay, it was in NWM, but at the moment i died on N1 and looked at thread i was like "Oats is scum").

Hapa please, look closely my case on Tutankoopa. The last big post i made about him. If i am not right where do i go wrong? He uses excuses and lies that look good for most of the people. But i do actually reread. I reread the the whole fucking thread when it comes to my scumreads, and he is lying and trying to cover it up. And what he said there (the post i quoted) makes all my other points valid because that's what he has been doing all the game!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:37 GMT
#943
I mean, that was my FIRST comment on obs QT. "Oats is scum".-
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:39 GMT
#944
##Unvote:
##Vote: Tutankoopa

This is the lynch we want. Scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:45 GMT
#946
Look.
What Tutankoops says is totally wrong. I am not going to quote the whole thread. He says i did not let Hopeless to answer him. That's a lie. When i point it out, he says "no, you were distracting me" when all i asked him "are you smurf?". I fucking questioned Hopeless at that time, then i went to talk with sciberbia. I DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DISTRACT HIM! He HIMSELF says "rayn we are trying to ignore you". FUCK, he was not even trying to follow up on Hopeless. It's lies lies lies, and cover up. It makes no sense.

Read my case and the thread from page 8 and so on, I AM NOT DISTRACTING HIM! He is mafia!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:50 GMT
#948
Please read my case and pages 8-10 of the game:
On August 30 2013 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa says this:
Show nested quote +
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game. You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions. However, we're long past that point in the game so I'll give you a full explanation.


This is what happened in chronological order:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn

##unvote

just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa i would like you to explain a couple of things:
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?

How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense.

On August 29 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
Bout to head out for a few hours. For now all that really bothers me is hopeless, yamato, and oats in that specific order. Everything else seems fairly harmless and I'm not seeing much scumminess in the rayn/scib/whoever debate. I'm worried about yamato because what he's posted so far could very easily be mafia taking a dump in the thread and throwing bad looks at people who smell his shit. There's nothing I can pinpoint in Hopeless' filter, but a few of his posts have given me weird vibes. I guess I'm not convinced that he really thinks I or anyone else could be mafia. I just now looked at Oat's filter and I was unable to see what I thought I saw earlier, so scratch him from my list.

My guess at who's mafia is 1 out of, but probably not both hopeless/yamato, and the rest are people that haven't posted.

What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post?

10 hours. 10 hours after Hopeless has answered i ask him about his motives. In that time frame he has done nothing to follow that Hopeless thingy up.

Then he straight out lies of me not letting Hopeless answer first.

When i point out the lie he does this:

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 23:36 Tutankoopa wrote:
I didn't follow it up because I didn't get the damming result I was fishing for so there was literally nothing to say. You also kinda interrupted whatever train of thought I might have had when you decided to press the smurfing issue.

Which is WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING ALL THE FUCKING GAME WHEN SOMEONE ASKS HIM SOMETHING. He does give fishy answers in the first place and gives totally different answers compared to his first one when asked to clarify.

Tutankoopa is mafia!

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:54 GMT
#949
On August 31 2013 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
The thing with this Rayn, is that I don't understand the mafia-motive behind this inconsistency/lie/whatever.

Yes it is an inconsistency. Yes his reply is a bit wonky. But is it completely out of the realm for a townie to do? What is "scum TK" trying to acccomplish here?

The thing is he is not making any sense. His thought process does not exist because it's a lie. Scum get away with this bullshit because town does not reread. It.. does.. not.. make... sense1!!!!

At all.

*Self bragging* I am fairly competant as mafia. I could see me throwing out something like that because townies do not go back and look at the thread as it is. Mafiosi read filters and make themseelves sound "fair" based on what is X Y Z filter.

But when you read the thread (pages 8-10) does it make any fucking sense for TK to say what he did? IT DOESN'T!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:58 GMT
#954
On August 31 2013 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:
The thing with this Rayn, is that I don't understand the mafia-motive behind this inconsistency/lie/whatever.

Yes it is an inconsistency. Yes his reply is a bit wonky. But is it completely out of the realm for a townie to do? What is "scum TK" trying to acccomplish here?

The thing is he is not making any sense. His thought process does not exist because it's a lie. Scum get away with this bullshit because town does not reread. It.. does.. not.. make... sense1!!!!


How sure are you that it's a lie as opposed to a mistake?


Uhh.. I pointed out why it is a lie? wtf are you doing?
Let's say he made a mistake instead, and misremembered. Look at my last post in the case. He does not say "yeah i fucked up". Instead he is trying to cover the lie with something else.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#956
EBWOP: AND HIS COVER UP MAKES ZEROOOOOO SENSE!!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:01 GMT
#957
On August 31 2013 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 04:58 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 31 2013 04:57 FirmTofu wrote:
I can't believe it... Is Yamato seriously scum again?

He's voting all the easy inactives like he did in Persona and is posting one-liners with no substance. This is hilarious.


What do you make of the shitfest between myself, marv, and Yamato starting roughly at page 29?

no stop this. we are trying to lynch here, not making people think about irrelevant stuff. TK/alakaslam/syl is getting lynched. Noone else.

FT, give thoughts on alakaslam/syl?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:06 GMT
#961
On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.

You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.

@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho.

Man, i am not stupid.
read the case and pages 8-10 of the game, and think about what Tutankoopa says and how does he act.
Ask yourself; Does what he says to me make sense compared to how he acts?

Townies do not forget their intentions behind actions, mafia does (or does not have them).
Think about it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:06 GMT
#962
On August 31 2013 05:05 debears wrote:
lynch is in three hours right?

I might do my dark horse candidate by then if we cant get the syl lynch

btw raynp. Would you be willing to put your life on the line if you got the tk lynch and he was town?

yes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:07 GMT
#963
On August 31 2013 05:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok its 3am I need to get some sleep now, with how FT is giving his reads now with zero rhyme or reason to them make me lean scum, also we disagree about yamato. The post about figureing out marv and hapa is nothing like his recent scum games.

Please if you do not have a strong scumread sheep me ok?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:15 GMT
#967
On August 31 2013 05:08 sciberbia wrote:
OK rayn due to your vehement request, I reread TK's filter and I've conducted a fairly thorough investigation into this TK 'lie' you are referring to.

I maintain that there is no lie, TK could most certainly be town, and I still don't see any good reason to lynch him today.

First of all, he was correct in saying this
Show nested quote +
You couldn't even wait for Hopeless to respond before you interrupted and started asking questions.


See this sequence of quotes for reference+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?


On August 29 2013 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait wait. What was the policy in your mind?

On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:
On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats.


1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play?
2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1?

Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain?


1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts.
2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn

##unvote

just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated.

"Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno...



Second of all, his story checks out. He said he didn't get the damning response for Hopeless that he was fishing for, so there was no reason to follow up on his questions to hopeless.

But he still didn't like that he had to explain why he asked those questions, because it gave away one of his scumhunting strategies to the scumteam.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 22:54 Tutankoopa wrote:
Rayn, this is a perfect example of how being spammy can be bad, even if you're asking OK questions. You really shouldn't expect people to give you every single reasoning behind their every line of questioning. When I asked those questions I had specific goals in mind, and it is counterproductive for you to ask me to talk about things that I'd rather the mafia team not hear. Even when the theory I'm working with doesn't pan out, I'm still going to want to keep my motives under warp a while longer. As soon as someone fully explains a question, that question and similar strategies lose their scumhunting potential for the rest of the game.


I'm open to you explaining why my explanation of TK's statements doesn't make sense, but I cannot see any problem with his story.

No sciberbia. I asked Tutankhamon what he thought the policy was, because i did not understand the question to Hopeless (why the fuck would you think i would have asked him that otherwise?).

The bolded part you quote and what you say about it is bs, he uses the phrase "a while longer", that does not mean he has some "ultimate scumhunting methods" and he is cleary referring to this situation, as he says later in his post:
"Anyways, as the ship sailed already, here is my answer"......

Are you scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:18 GMT
#970
On August 31 2013 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
I didn't get your "ironclad" case last game rayn and I promise I re-read this one for you and still don't get it this game.

You are fortunate that I have last game to rely on or else I'd be working on your lynch I think.

@Tofu: yamato has a huge spat with marv/hapa for a bit this game. Enough to try and look townie, but not enough to really convince me. Its way more than last game though. I had questions at the start tho.

Man, i am not stupid.
read the case and pages 8-10 of the game, and think about what Tutankoopa says and how does he act.
Ask yourself; Does what he says to me make sense compared to how he acts?

Townies do not forget their intentions behind actions, mafia does (or does not have them).
Think about it.


That bolded statement is simply not true. Townies are human - they forget all the time. Especially when put under pressure, it can be hard for people to find the motivation or the presence of mind to keep a story 100% straight. Every time I read that exchange you harp on about in your case, that's what I think. TK just seems annoyed at dealing with you as opposed to him making some calculated lie.

Maybe TK is scum, but what you have isn't a strong case, and isn't really a case at all.

uhh..
i give up.
at least lynch Sylencia then. I am far more convinced of TK, marv, and scib's last post is full of crap defending someone with bullshit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:20 GMT
#972
what Hapa, what is the exchabnge you are talking about?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#982
On August 31 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what Hapa, what is the exchabnge you are talking about?


The TK/Hopeless exchange in your last case.

The exchange is very clear.
TK asks, Hopeless answers. TK does not follow up.
Then he says something. I point out a lie. He says something else.

Would you make a fucking 7 line "explanation" of something (like he did) if you were not 100% sure what your thought process is? What are you talking about?

He clarified his thought process, and he was very clear in it. He was lying. That's it. He is mafia.
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