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On September 06 2013 05:33 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm also not sure I'd want to lynch Lord Velocity either, while he does seem somewhat scummy the fact that no one seems to be opposed to lynching him makes me wonder if he's just mislynch bait. (Yay, pre-flip associations... But I still do really feel that way, for now.)
I've voiced my opinion that I don't think he's an intelligent d1 lynch, although it was a while ago so I'll give my reasons again.
I'm reading him as a new player who is very eager, he cracked under pressure very easily both times, but bounced right back almost immediately. The lack of caution in his play (especially right after being under the gun) requires self confidence that I don't think mafia have.+ Show Spoiler + (note, after the first time I made this point, I looked at his posting habits before and after to see if he suddenly went more aggressive, but didn't see any noticeable change.)
My overall read is he's one of three things
-New player who's really eager but isn't very experienced
-Really good mafia player who's faking newbie town really well
-Really bad mafia who's playing wayyyy more agressive then he should given his current situation.
(The last two are a bit wifom)
But currently I'm leaning towards him being inexperienced town.
The reason I think he'd be a poor d1 lynch is, firstly, He's active, bad at pressure and not afraid to commit to things. This means that if he is mafia, he shouldn't be very hard to break in a day or two, and his aggressive posting is leaving a huge crumb trail behind him.
Secondly, he doesn't really have any friends right now, he hasn't really defended anyone and has at various points called pretty much everyone scummy. So I feel that regardless of what he flips, we don't really learn anything. Compare that to the information we might get from lynching someone else. Say we lynch Infii, regardless of whether he flips scum or town, we have the potential to look at his past posts and maybe learn something from them. Not everyone has aggroed on him and he hasn't aggroed on very many people and we could maybe read something from that.
And third and most importantly, I'm just not getting a scum read off him. It might be because he hasn't aggroed on me at all, but his play just seems to open and carefree for me to tick him off as overly scummy.
I hope that makes sense. Anyway, as my vote on myrzeth suggests, he's my current preferred target, just because I don't see him being anything other then a liability if left alive, but I'm open to suggestions.
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Blurry, you're the only person who's declared chairman ray a town read recently.
On September 06 2013 04:17 Blurry wrote:
My opinion is that Chairman Ray is slightly town because he did advance the discussion and brought up concerns about players nobody else had really said anything against.
Your opinion on holyflares psot?
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On September 06 2013 05:35 Lord Velocity wrote:
I will have longer posts in like 2 hours, have to take the bus home
The day ends an hour and a half from when you made that post, (one hour from when I make this one.)
Make sure you don't get modkilled for talking at night :p
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On September 06 2013 06:00 Chairman Ray wrote:
I will post a very long analysis during the nighttime since there's only 1 hour left.
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From all this information, I would urge you guys to not vote myRZeft. Also don't vote HolyFlare or Umasi, which I will explain later (I promise)
Two things, firstly, are we actually allowed to talk at night? I thought we weren't but looking at the rules I don't see that anywhere so I might be wrong.
Secondly, you just said a bunch of people you don't think we should lynch. Given that the current target is you, and not any of those people, the only reason not to lynch you you've given so far is the promise of a potential long post.
Who would you rather see lynched and why?
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ebwop
Are we allowed to talk at night?
forgot mod font
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On September 06 2013 06:06 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:00 killerdog wrote:On September 06 2013 05:35 Lord Velocity wrote:
I will have longer posts in like 2 hours, have to take the bus home The day ends an hour and a half from when you made that post, (one hour from when I make this one.) Make sure you don't get modkilled for talking at night :p make sure you don't get modkilled for talking at night?
sorry, I'd misunderstood the rules :p
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On September 06 2013 06:05 Bereft wrote:
LV's arguments are laughably bad. also what's with him going balls to the wall to paint the 2 people with suspicions of him (blurry and myself) as mafia? would be disappointed if he genuinely finds me sketchy - am inclined to think this is an ink defense.
##vote lord velocity
Whats your response to my points in favour of not voting for him?
On September 06 2013 05:54 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 05:33 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm also not sure I'd want to lynch Lord Velocity either, while he does seem somewhat scummy the fact that no one seems to be opposed to lynching him makes me wonder if he's just mislynch bait. (Yay, pre-flip associations... But I still do really feel that way, for now.)
+ Show Spoiler +I've voiced my opinion that I don't think he's an intelligent d1 lynch, although it was a while ago so I'll give my reasons again. I'm reading him as a new player who is very eager, he cracked under pressure very easily both times, but bounced right back almost immediately. The lack of caution in his play (especially right after being under the gun) requires self confidence that I don't think mafia have. + Show Spoiler + (note, after the first time I made this point, I looked at his posting habits before and after to see if he suddenly went more aggressive, but didn't see any noticeable change.) I agree he's pushing pretty hard, and he's not at all on my town list right now. If you look at the list I made earlier ranking people in order of town to scummy, he was outside the town list but relatively low on my list of scum. My overall read is he's one of three things -New player who's really eager but isn't very experienced -Really good mafia player who's faking newbie town really well -Really bad mafia who's playing wayyyy more agressive then he should given his current situation. (The last two are a bit wifom) But currently I'm leaning towards him being inexperienced town. The reason I think he'd be a poor d1 lynch is, firstly, He's active, bad at pressure and not afraid to commit to things. This means that if he is mafia, he shouldn't be very hard to break in a day or two, and his aggressive posting is leaving a huge crumb trail behind him. Secondly, he doesn't really have any friends right now, he hasn't really defended anyone and has at various points called pretty much everyone scummy. So I feel that regardless of what he flips, we don't really learn anything. Compare that to the information we might get from lynching someone else. Say we lynch Infii, regardless of whether he flips scum or town, we have the potential to look at his past posts and maybe learn something from them. Not everyone has aggroed on him and he hasn't aggroed on very many people and we could maybe read something from that. And third and most importantly, I'm just not getting a scum read off him. It might be because he hasn't aggroed on me at all, but his play just seems to open and carefree for me to tick him off as overly scummy. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, as my vote on myrzeth suggests, he's my current preferred target, just because I don't see him being anything other then a liability if left alive, but I'm open to suggestions.
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On September 06 2013 06:09 Holyflare wrote:
inb4 clusterfuck voting 1 minute before deadline again............
As long as people give a reason for their vote when they cast it, clusterfucks can be great information :p
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Umasi, whats your opinion of voting for velocity? You've lightly defended him in the past, but you've also indicated that if there was a strong scum read you'd prefer to lynch them instead of going for the afk/lurker.
Would you rather lynch myrzeth, Chairman Ray or Lord Velocity?
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On September 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote:
holyflare, put your vote in the thread
also, myr, why did you put your vote on ray?
On September 06 2013 00:05 myRZeth wrote:
voting holyflare, because he s voting me without any clues/analysis/whatever
you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that
simply a countervote
I really don't like letting myr live til day 2, but hopefully he'll start playing the game tomorrow. We wont lose from a second mislynch (if ray is town) so I guess it's not the end of the world if we have to kill myr off tomorrow for still being afk.
##vote chairman ray
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On September 06 2013 06:36 Holyflare wrote:I thought we had to post votes in here to show people as well as the vote thread?
He's a rebel -.-
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On September 06 2013 06:37 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:36 Holyflare wrote:On September 06 2013 06:15 myRZeth wrote:
##unvote
##vote Chairman Ray I thought we had to post votes in here to show people as well as the vote thread? He's a rebel -.-
Although thinking about it, why would he switch votes onto someone who is almost certainly gonna get lynched (at least with the way this conversation is going so far) and then not even comment in the thread.
If myrzeth is town, I don't see that making any sense at all, if he's mafia, it shows a mafia bandwagon. Either way, it just makes me want to lynch him even more.
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Also a quick note. If, in the last 15 minutes to try and save themselves, someone comes out as a blue role. What do we do? Obviously noone should counterclaim (even if it wasn't a semi open setup that would be dumb as hell) but do we still lynch them, or do we switch lynches to myrzeth and see if mafia kills them that night?
I really don't want to have everything go to shit in the last 5 minutes becomes someone randomly goes "ok i'm Q"
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On September 06 2013 06:47 heavenz wrote:
##vote Blurry
he's a worse version of myRZeth.
Everything you do is so smothe, totally neutral. You're not giving in anywhere, dispite, I belive you could. You acknowldge your neutrality and think you can just pass by it. A little suspecious on VL there, but not commiting (lol just by what he's writing he's suspicious as f´´k). I don't trust you, and I value Rays's work more. I have made a longer case where I went through your posts before.
The thing is, compare the cost of not lynching either of them.
We don't lynch blurry, people with suspicions can grill him tomorrow and maybe get leads out of him.
We don't lynch myrzeth, if he just stays afk like he has today, then well shit, we have to waste a lynch on him (causing us to not be able to properly pressure actual scum reads) or leave him alive (again) til day 3, where it's lynch a mafia or lose. And i really really don't want to be in a position where it's lynch or lose and myr is still in the game, not having said anything.
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[green] can we get a count of the votes? [/green/]
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I'm bad at teamliquid
can we get an official count of the votes?
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On September 06 2013 06:55 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:54 Umasi wrote:
If you're town, ray, at this point, where you are probably going to be lynched, this is my advice
SPAM READS.
this is your last chance.
If you're mafia, SPAM READS TO LOOK TOWNIE
if you're town, we can consider your reads
if you're mafia, we'll just ignore them. Reads Umasi - Town HolyFlare - Town myRZeth - Town Lord Velocity - Mafia
Read on me?
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On September 06 2013 06:58 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:56 killerdog wrote:On September 06 2013 06:55 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 06 2013 06:54 Umasi wrote:
If you're town, ray, at this point, where you are probably going to be lynched, this is my advice
SPAM READS.
this is your last chance.
If you're mafia, SPAM READS TO LOOK TOWNIE
if you're town, we can consider your reads
if you're mafia, we'll just ignore them. Reads Umasi - Town HolyFlare - Town myRZeth - Town Lord Velocity - Mafia Read on me? You rode my bandwagon onto LV, but with no backup, slightly pointing town in itself, or mafia decided to ditch the plan after umasi halted it. Could go either way. You rode the bandwagon onto me. I'd say you are 55% mafia 45% town.
I wrote a post way earlier stating why i did that -.-, at least pretend to have read it.
Anyway, times up
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it's the final countdownnnnnnnnn
dun dun dun dunnnnn
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On September 06 2013 07:00 Blurry wrote:
For the record, I think Chairman Ray is going to flip green. Its just so hard to tell this early in the game.
Brave thing to say after the deadline
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