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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 17:58 GMT
#1099
I mean, its fine to get mad at people who actively try to deflect lynches off of whoever you think is scum. Especially if you have done anything that might make people think you are town. And if you have campaigned for the lynch of somebody you believe is scum. However, you don't have a scum candidate to lynch. And you haven't helped weed out any scum. And you haven't campaigned at all (okay admittedly I haven't really either).

However, I'm not deflecting the lynch off of anybody (Unless you can point to somebody who you think is getting lynched with 2 votes on them), and you haven't even made a case on me. You solely voted for me because I called you out. And you freely admit that. W. T. F.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 18:05 GMT
#1103
A) what lynch am I derailing? my own? I think I have 2 votes on me AFTER vayne voted me. Nobody has more than 2 to my knowledge unless WoS has picked up a 3rd or something.
B) have you read his shit? "Anybody who wants to lynch me is scum", without even trying to look town. I'd lynch that anyday. I'm curious to know if you have any opinion on him after reading everything he just said, and after reading his really really short filter.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 18:06 GMT
#1104
PS at least he is posting regarding wos now...
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 18:24 GMT
#1108
On August 23 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
If you can find a decent reason why you would post this

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 01:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
I wish Vayne/Tofu/Yamato would post more. All 3 are hypothetically solid mafia players as far as I know and they are at 2 page filters with little/no contribution. I'd be inclined to vote some pressure on to one of them if there was much to decide between the 3...

Also Vayne's last post was painful:
On August 22 2013 11:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
Like there's zero reason for any town player to be throwing shit on me right now. I'm not even close to being up for lynch discussion and all it serves to do is throw around suspicion to support later lynches and confuse town more to serve the scum agenda.

Its like a pre-emptive OMGUS. Anybody who calls attention to him is automatically acting in scum's interests or something.

PS Kush why the 180 on tofu? I didn't really get your reasoning...


Then right after you posted that, you go and post this

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 02:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
NVM I lied yamato is doing stuff and I agree with practically everything he is saying o.O

I'm happy with a Vayne/FT lynch though current preference is FT.

Also still want to lynch Koshi but nobody else really does. Also I want to lynch rayn but I think that's because he is annoying. hard to tell.


and find yourself back at this

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On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner.


I don't see what you hope to gain out of this as town. You know what's going to happen, I'm going to be annoyed at you, and you KNOWINGLY pursue that to fuck with town. Show me in any way how this is pro town and hell, ill vote for myself LOL

Wat?
Post 1: 3 people aren't contributing, and I think they should contribute. PS one of them posted a really bad post.
Post 2: further research shows that one of them IS contributing. List narrowed to 2. Including bad-post-man, although other man looks worse after filter review. PS I still don't like persons X and Y, if anybody is curious in my scumreads.
Post 3: Looky bad-post-man showed up, and decided that posting townie stuff is for noobs he should play as scummily as possible.

Its pretty simple. Apparently nobody agrees that an attitude of "Anybody who suspects me is obv scum" is kinda NOT HELPING AT ALL. Iunno.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 18:26 GMT
#1109
On August 23 2013 03:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
A) what lynch am I derailing? my own? I think I have 2 votes on me AFTER vayne voted me. Nobody has more than 2 to my knowledge unless WoS has picked up a 3rd or something.
B) have you read his shit? "Anybody who wants to lynch me is scum", without even trying to look town. I'd lynch that anyday. I'm curious to know if you have any opinion on him after reading everything he just said, and after reading his really really short filter.

'Without even trying to look town'.

Um have you seen scum play like that?

Yes. Boardwalk Empire.

I've seen town do it too, but none of them take the attitude that "I know i'm not acting townie but anybody who suspects me is obv scum".
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 18:48 GMT
#1114
@Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=Bill Murray

Admittedly he was a lot more cavalier about it. VA seems to have essentially forgotten that you can't just decide that everybody believes you are town, you need to do something to demonstrate it.

@rayn hows yamato worse than VA in terms of contribution? At least yamato makes some decent points here and there. And Tofu's pretty much just as bad.

Either way, I'd still like tofu to post but I'm much more suspicious of VA now so...

##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority

I still don't get how people can possibly see what VA is doing as somehow townie, although at least he is finally posting. You will note that he still has yet to seriously scumhunt.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:11 GMT
#1124
On August 23 2013 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah thats BM. Vayne isnt BM.

VA is being an asshole but that doesnt translate into him being scum. His behavior doesnt help town, all it does is it draws everyone's attention to him for no reason. Which isnt scummy.

Wait. VA is being an asshole and not helping town but that isn't scummy? I don't really approve of that sentiment.
On August 23 2013 04:00 Koshi wrote:
Mr. Evil Snowman. Can you read Vayne his filter from Titanic and comment on the difference?

Vayne & Mr. Evil Snowman: Did you 2 play already together before?

To my knowledge, we have not played together before. Reading that filter he played scummy as town in Titanic. Maybe that makes him less likely to be scum but I'm not sure how it excuses awful play this game... If we aren't lynching him then I guess we aren't lynching him but this is like "free win every time you roll scum" if everybody just assumes that vayne won't ever contribute for a huge portion of the game.

Also, You missed my vote change in ur votecount mr cohost
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:15 GMT
#1126
2 posts above your votecount which I'm sure is why you missed it lol.
On August 23 2013 03:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
@Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=Bill Murray

Admittedly he was a lot more cavalier about it. VA seems to have essentially forgotten that you can't just decide that everybody believes you are town, you need to do something to demonstrate it.

@rayn hows yamato worse than VA in terms of contribution? At least yamato makes some decent points here and there. And Tofu's pretty much just as bad.

Either way, I'd still like tofu to post but I'm much more suspicious of VA now so...

##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority

I still don't get how people can possibly see what VA is doing as somehow townie, although at least he is finally posting. You will note that he still has yet to seriously scumhunt.

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:18 GMT
#1128
I'm a DT now its not ur fault.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:30 GMT
#1134
Well, at least Tofu can make a case...

What I don't see is how scum could possibly benefit from that plan (actually, hiding the fact that they have a roleblock is probably a better reason not to RB, and that seems much worse than just the chance to hit a cop/medic).

Either way, thats like the absolute least convincing case ever lol. PS: I've never told people that they are actively harming the thread by calling me scum. And Vayne had a public "null" read on me before I started mentioning him. The people I went after, as I said, were the quiet people who had no excuse for not contributing and could super easily have been hiding mafia.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:36 GMT
#1139
On August 23 2013 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch FT today actually. Anyone want to with me?

##unvote
##vote FT

You wanna provide some reasoning? Do you disagree with what I said?


you think scum didn't roleblock someone on purpose just so sno could say "no roleblockers lol?'
why would scum do that

Well, it could be so that sn0 says something like "Scum have no RB's? that means they have either a GF or a Framer so don't necessarily swallow cop checks whole" when really they don't have either and are deathly afraid of cop checks.

Pretty unlikely yes.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 19:51 GMT
#1149
On August 23 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote:
Sn0, I'm curious as to why you aren't voting me right now. Do you still think Vayne is scummier than me?

You know, I wrote up a long post about how much I hate people who just vote everywhere like their vote doesn't matter. I really like being considered with my vote and making sure it has meaning even when placed early in a day. However, you are practically begging me to vote you here.

#YOLO

##Unvote
##Vote: FirmTofu
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#1166
On August 23 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote:
@Sno Please respond to this.
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 10:39 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 21 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Not that I haven't flung my share of shit at a decent variety of players this game, but if we take a look at rayns filter he has called the following people scum:
Me,
Geript,
WoS,
Rainbows,
Oats,
On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.
Thats all.

no it's not. you are probably mafia.-

and DP
On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell?


In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well.

I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now.

Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread.

I just caught this post. Sno, could you explain how rayn being accusatory and aggressive makes him scum? It looks like you are simply trying to discredit him here.You don't seem to be pushing for his lynch, but you want everyone to ignore him. Why would a townie want this when he isn't in rayn's crosshairs? What town motivation do you have to discredit rayn when he isn't even attacking you much?

I added ur EBWOP in.

I'm attacking rayn because I didn't like how he was playing and I didn't agree with the conclusions he was drawing, so I was making sure the rest of the thread saw another side to his "arguments".

The fact that I'm discrediting him when he wasn't attacking me much is actually a decent sign that I'm not scum. If I was scum I couldn't care less what garbage he was spewing so long as he didn't attack me. The fact that he had thrown shit on or outright accused at LEAST 6 players by then would totally play into my hands if I were scum...

Thus, at the bottom of my post I say that rayn is essentially playing this in a way that doesn't benefit town. The unspoken implication being he is scum/3p. Which I still believe although I'll admit that I do have experiences with townies who play completely contrary to me and we fight each other's arguments incessantly.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#1172
@kush surprise surprise those are the 4 people I want to lynch most right now.

Incidentally, There is virtually NO chance a scum player as the current most likely lynch target would spew his scumbuddies like that in an attempt to improve their situation later, so free townie points for those 3. I think.

PS: geript is currently the recipient of a free ride I'm not sure he deserves. Geript is traditionally more active and aggressive in games i've played with him.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 20:17 GMT
#1182
On August 23 2013 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
@kush surprise surprise those are the 4 people I want to lynch most right now.

Incidentally, There is virtually NO chance a scum player as the current most likely lynch target would spew his scumbuddies like that in an attempt to improve their situation later, so free townie points for those 3. I think.

PS: geript is currently the recipient of a free ride I'm not sure he deserves. Geript is traditionally more active and aggressive in games i've played with him.

I can agree with this. Sn0 can you comment on the below for me?

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On August 22 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:25 geript wrote:
@Rayn.... I'm tired of the WoS shit. You noted differences between games. I see that as meta. You talk about him not wanting to explain himself; having played a billion games with him, I see that as just something Daniel could do. As to him continuing to not engage you, I actually see that as a towny thing for him to do. In the last game we hydra'd he literally said "ITalk to your friend (JJD) b/c I'm done w/ him and his shit." I would completely understand him doing something similar here.

You still scum on Sn0?

Whoa whoa.
What is with the out-of-game/'RL friends'/emotional appeal? You bring up the example of JJD and you're right, but the ONLY time I've ever seen you do something like this is when you wanted JJD to know who you were and used his real name, as our town hydra.

This honestly looks like a crumb you're leaving for me to make me think that you're town specifically BECAUSE you did the same thing here.


I'm bad at reading geript. He's played differently in all 3 (I think) games I've played with him. Plus we really really didn't get along as both town one game.

Yes you have a point he kinda looks like he is sucking up to you there. No I don't feel like that is a serious point against him. I merely think that he shouldn't be getting this free ride and it is very much not like the common theme of my games with him: Active and loud.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 20:37 GMT
#1196
I've been pushing for action all game... WoS asked me a question and I gave him an answer.

I fail to see how everybody thinks that its OK for VA/FT to play terribly and excuse that as "Their town meta is to play awfully, when they are scum they play well". WTF IS THAT? We never lynch them when they look scummy only the other way around? Get out.

I'd also be happy to lynch rayn because AS I"VE SAID BEFORE he is trying to spam his way into control of the thread, in large part by shouting down anybody who disagrees with him. It just isn't town-motivated to do that. Doesn't help that Koshi is literally parroting everything rayn says and they literally back each other up on every tiny thing.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 20:46 GMT
#1199
It is likely only one of them scum I suppose but the way they are sucking each other off means that if one is town that particular person needs their head checked.

I've said before, I've had games as town where I have utterly irreconcilable differences with another townie and this could be a case of that but if they are both town then I don't even know what to say.

Iunno, nothing about that pair makes much sense to me tbh.

@Oats: Who da eff is scum then if it isn't some large portion of FT/VA the "I don't need to look like town" players or Koshi/Rayn the "Maybe if we shout loudest the thread will believe us" siamese twins.

PS: Can anybody explain unshakeable town reads from N0? Because rayn and koshi are pulling those out bigtime. Like, not only are they joined at the hip, but rayn has a variety of other "100% town" reads on way way too many people. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 21:13 GMT
#1203
Koshi just parrots rayn.

Rayn's accusations are founded on essentially his claim that you tried to shut down thread discussion N0 when you should have learned better from an old game. Following which according to him you refused to "answer" his accusations.

I mean, you could have played better N0 maybe but rayn went berserk over not much and hasn't calmed down ever since. Iunno, I was in your first NMM so maybe I just have too low an opinion of your play but so far as I've seen you have been your normal townie self, if not necessarily a shining beacon of towniness then at least you aren't playing overly scummily then expecting me to never question you or something.

I kinda wish we would have less people spamming the thread with questions though. Don't just ask other people "well what do you think of X/Y/Z?" but rather TELL THEM WHY XYZ is scummy or not scummy. That goes out to a lot of people lol. Don't ask others to scumhunt for you, freaking get active and figure stuff out. Then tell others.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 21:13 GMT
#1204
EBWOP was @wos.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 22 2013 21:16 GMT
#1206
Quick kush, vote for whoever is the safest vote at the time!
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