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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 11:53 GMT
#184
On August 20 2013 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Crazometer how does everyone claiming vanilla town help us in forum mafia?

We can judge the sincerity of their type, obviously.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 11:54 GMT
#185
On August 20 2013 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:51 yamato77 wrote:
Mafia doesn't have to kill the survivor to win, either. It's like you don't understand that they are completely impartial.

The point isn't that we're telling them not to claim, it is that they won't claim and asking them to is actually just a waste of time. The name of the game is mafia, because you're trying to find and kill them, not the survivors.


That's why i included it in a post that actually said something useful too.
Also that's why i do not understand why people jumped on that part of the post so heavily. If it does not provide anything bad, why comment on it at all?

Because it's weird that someone mentions the survivor claiming. But obviously you actually thought it was good, so whatever. Let's drop it.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:12 GMT
#196
Deja vu?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:31 GMT
#206
On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted?

I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem.

¿?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:36 GMT
#210
On August 20 2013 21:33 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:31 yamato77 wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted?

I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem.

¿?

For the first 2 days it is solely scum their problem. Got to find scummies as town. Got to find SK as scummer.

...

-_-
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:41 GMT
#214
On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow.
So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours.
Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet?

So... we shouldn't post?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:47 GMT
#219
On August 20 2013 21:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:41 yamato77 wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow.
So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours.
Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet?

So... we shouldn't post?

Well for example, if Rayn is town, playing like he does, he's inevitably going to be targeted by mafia as he often is N1 in most games. I just don't see much of an advantage in attempting to prove yourself towny at this point in the game.

Are you trying to tell us about your plans, scum-WoS?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 20 2013 12:57 GMT
#223
On August 20 2013 21:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:47 yamato77 wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:41 yamato77 wrote:
On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow.
So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours.
Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet?

So... we shouldn't post?

Well for example, if Rayn is town, playing like he does, he's inevitably going to be targeted by mafia as he often is N1 in most games. I just don't see much of an advantage in attempting to prove yourself towny at this point in the game.

Are you trying to tell us about your plans, scum-WoS?

How would you expect me to respond to that question, yamato?

I was hoping to make you think over what you have written there in the context that it makes little sense from a town perspective.

But instead, you think I was serious?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 01:09 GMT
#585
Usually I don't even bother reading the thread when it gets as stupid as it has now, but I did. Because I'm a masochist. All of you fighting among yourselves and arguing with people you think are scum are making my head hurt. Thankfully, there are a few things worth responding to:

On August 21 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no point in claiming a role that there is likely zero or one of as scum when not everybody has posted. Koshi has also painted a target on his back so no reason to lynch him for the time being.

Don't like Rainbows first post, nitpicks DP flip flopping but doesn't actually follow up on it at all. Possible scum since they usually look for really obvious stuff like that since they have to fabricate scum reads.

WoS is playing to his 3rd party meta. Wouldn't be surprised if he rolled SK/Survivor. Good lynch.

Something feels off about geript's posting, not angry enough.

Observations so far.


Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created.

On August 21 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.

Thats all.

no it's not. you are probably mafia.-

thanks for telling me what you think your case is about.

Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it:

"There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?

Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself."


Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"?
Can you?

Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post.


As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means?

On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Thoughts while reading through this spamfest of a thread:

PAGE 8

yamato you son of a bitch if i had a shot i would shoot you right now for no reason other than you piss me off. fucking think you are some maine expect because you went to caribou once lolz gtfo plz

yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit.

PAGE 9

I think it's pretty safe to assume this guy is town because he said his role name:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:48 Crazometer wrote:
Lol, such personal attacks. Ryan, even the best laid plans can come unstuck but I think we got something out of it either way . I'm unsure what really happens next as I've mainly just played these in person, but around now we would go around the circle with each person claiming they were vanilla characters in order. I'll start. I'm Crazometer and I'm a Citizen of Inaba.


OMG MADE IT TO PAGE 13 WOOOO kush out






And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw.

On August 21 2013 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to thank everyone for the respite from spam! Still catching up!


Srsly.

On August 21 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Higgildy Piggildy Pumpkin Poo!
FirmTofu is here
And is scumhunting too!

First things first. This deadline is less than ideal for me. It is 4 AM in my timezone so I will likely be asleep during that time period. If anyone wishes to vote for me in the 4 hour town frame before the deadline, they better have a fucking good reason to do so. Any votes placed on me during that timeframe should be considered be VERY scummy and all guilty persons should be pursued with fervor the following day.

I'll be catching up and posting my thoughts in a few hours. Don't be a bunch of bitches like y'all were in GOT and vote me for no reason for not being around.


I don't know how many times I guessed correctly that a scum opened the game with a post like this. Definitely going to be watching FT as he "catches up".

On August 21 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I assume most people agree that there is town motivation for Rayn pushing me as hard as he has been, as well as his relentlessly pushing me to answer his question regarding why I said what I did about 'no-talking' on N0.

Are people considering scum motivations behind such actions?
I want to see if anyone else can figure this out before I do a little revelation. Again, I'll be on sporadically so it may not happen until later but by gum, it WILL happen.


You think scumRayn wants to make you talk so that he can...?

I don't follow the logic. There's a reason most people agree that Rayn is town, and it's because he's too fucking batshit insane to be mafia.

On August 21 2013 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 06:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 21 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote:
I also see a tendency where you propose retarded lynches while you are already making up excuses when they flip town.

I'll readily admit that I see both sides of my arguments before proposing them. It makes it hard for me to really be certain about scum sometimes, and that is a very real weakness to my play.

In other news, I notice a tendency of yours to say "dnu" whenever you are asked a question and kinda deflect it with some seriously wishy-washy garbage. Thoughts?

Ask the question again and I will answer without dnu.

I try not to think so much when I post. And then people ask why I post stuff and I need to think about what I was thinking. But I am more like feeling instead of thinking. You get my drift?


Sn0 brings up a good point, Koshi is wishy-washy. Unfortunately N0 has no lynch so there is no mechanic to force him to be decisive. I'll also be watching how his reads develop throughout the day.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 01:21 GMT
#587
On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.

I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.

I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#591
On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:
On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.

I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.

I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen.

It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means.

I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP.

Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 01:26 GMT
#592
On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.

I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.

He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch.

I don't agree with YOUR thought process. On more than one occasion, you say think because someone is/isn't scummy they are town/scum. WTF?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 01:28 GMT
#594
On August 21 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 10:25 yamato77 wrote:
On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 21 2013 10:21 yamato77 wrote:
On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.

I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.

I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen.

It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means.

I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP.

Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar.

It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing?

IDK about sheeping, but he definitely seemed fixated on the setup early like he was this game. What makes you think he's so sheepish this game?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 02:21 GMT
#636
Rayn, stop posting.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 02:24 GMT
#640
On August 21 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato is mafia.

You obviously can't control your enter key, because you've literally called everyone in the game mafia by now.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 02:25 GMT
#644
On August 21 2013 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato comment on my last pot please?

I have no idea how Ego has anything to do with WoS' alignment.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 02:28 GMT
#647
On August 21 2013 11:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 11:25 yamato77 wrote:
On August 21 2013 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato comment on my last pot please?

I have no idea how Ego has anything to do with WoS' alignment.

he is 100% lying. Can you not see it?

did you not do this in Ego or something?

Again, I don't see the connection.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 14:28 GMT
#748
I'm really tired of reading WoS vs. Rayn. I don't think either of you are scum and neither is going anywhere with his case on the other.

Koshi is highly suspect for just jumping on the WoS wagon without so much as a second thought.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 14:31 GMT
#749
Also

##Vote Kushm4sta

He's my placeholder lynch candidate.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 21 2013 14:33 GMT
#751
On August 21 2013 23:31 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 23:28 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really tired of reading WoS vs. Rayn. I don't think either of you are scum and neither is going anywhere with his case on the other.

Koshi is highly suspect for just jumping on the WoS wagon without so much as a second thought.

I'll forgive you because you probably didn't see my picture yet. Also, I gave a second thought in the same post as my vote D:

Your "second thought" isn't to consider that WoS might be town, it is that two other people are scum. It doesn't really qualify as a real second thought about the alignment of WoS. All it proves is that you've moved beyond having no reads into the territory of accusing people already under suspicion.
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