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On September 03 2013 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role.
Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting".
On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"?
For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation.
The role PM is pretty ambiguous, but any role such as a tracker/watcher/PGO that I've ever seen is always triggered by targeting, with the exception of a roleblock. Hassy stated that he had to target VE via PM to a host, so it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't show up as "VE was targeted with the Dice of Fate" or whatever it may be. I'll try to clarify with GreYMisT if he is able to comment.
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I've always thought that's a silly rule.
If you come to a conclusion based on knowledge that is available to you, you shouldn't be forced to keep it secret -_-
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s&b, in the event that Hassy were to flip town, would you want to lynch Vayne for his reaction to the claim?
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From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.
Does anyone think it makes sense for Hassy to claim medic on a failed protect as town, even if my role doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do?
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Hassy can we get a full role claim from you? Preferably sooner than later if you are town.
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On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia?
A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role.
Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear.
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Looking back at the night hits, VE is a common town n1 hit/possible third party threat based on BM qt.
Dandel was the most outspoken player against geript and a lot of people already thought he was town. Although he did post the follow scum list that may of hit a bit too close to home.
On September 01 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
geript
kita
oats
hiro
clarity
yamato as a night hit wasn't an obvious choice, but it may have been a good dodge the medic pick. He was suspicious of several people, though not too focused on a single target:
WoS, kita/Ceph/geript/Risen, Felkyr, ryan
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On September 04 2013 04:41 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote:
Another thing from BM chat I just caught a bit ago and got no response yet, master yi claimed Hiro is in BM chat. This has a ton of implications as there should be no way master yi knows hiro is in BM since I just rechecked hiros filter and there is no mention of BM. Also this needs to be answered. I got caught up in reading other filters and this almost slipped my mind.
If this mysterious third party player has proof hiro is mafia, then he should simply claim in the thread and he can ride the town cred to victory. I'd even consider letting Hassy live to protect them (though no guarantees he will actually send in any night actions). Otherwise, we should ignore it because it's an anonymous anti-town player.
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On September 04 2013 05:03 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:On September 04 2013 04:41 Risen wrote:On September 04 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote:
Another thing from BM chat I just caught a bit ago and got no response yet, master yi claimed Hiro is in BM chat. This has a ton of implications as there should be no way master yi knows hiro is in BM since I just rechecked hiros filter and there is no mention of BM. Also this needs to be answered. I got caught up in reading other filters and this almost slipped my mind. If this mysterious third party player has proof hiro is mafia, then he should simply claim in the thread and he can ride the town cred to victory. I'd even consider letting Hassy live to protect them (though no guarantees he will actually send in any night actions). Otherwise, we should ignore it because it's an anonymous anti-town player. do you believe hassy that he didn't send in any actions?
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it the most likely scenario? No.
Hassy just happened to forget to send in the night action that I caught him lying about? If that's the case then it's really unfortunate game swinging mistake. Hassy essentially had two choices: either call me a liar or state that he didn't send in the action. Calling me a liar wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. Stating that he didn't send the action in is a response a town or mafia Hassy would make so it shouldn't impact our views on him.
There are currently four things going against Hassy:
1) He got caught lying about an action
2) He changed his story about how the dice rolling worked after the reveal
3) He claimed medic in the thread with no fear of being shot for an absolutely terrible reason. Why would the medic's identity be less important than the knowledge that there may have been an extra kp?
4) He has displayed no evidence of scum hunting in the thread
There are 2 things going in favor of Hassy:
1) He has a believable claim about not trusting P-Body and his role interaction
2) Claiming medic doesn't exactly make the most sense as mafia either apart from town cred
I generally have a difficult time distinguishing between mafia play and town misplay, but we have forgetting a night action, lying about the dice, role claiming without good reason, and apathy. There is just too much to forgive in my opinion to make me think he wasn't mafia.
On September 04 2013 05:03 strongandbig wrote:
are you sure we shouldn't be lynching you instead of hassy?
Yep. What do you think?
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On September 04 2013 07:01 Alakaslam wrote:Ok. I am in really bad reception, but I could possibly be useful I hope. See, I am not wholly powerless, due to items- I can become a vet, and I say now that I will seriously try for the rest of the game and ask you guys before I do bullshit. Yeah, I suck at scum hunting but I can differentiate null and town. I can try to do elimination scum reads and whatnot, but for now that is what I can do. So can I give you some townreads and nulls? Clarity and cheesecake, cakepie and Koshi, Oatsmaster maybe, pretty sure Raynepelikoneet is. ShiaoPi has not said much, could be blending in, but green check, so null because could be Gf or reverse framed or whatnot. Risen looks ok, I'd say null. Hiropro is totally null. Geript null to scummy, he has my vote a I'm legitimately buttz about him killing Blazinghand. Coagulation replaced in and should be given time to speak before I give him anything better than null, lookin' forwar to his comments on my buttz level xD If I don't remember you here, you are not standing out in any way and are therefore worthy of my light FoS.I think Yamato is in this game, isn't he? He is always easy to read for other people when scum so I will let you all see to that  Oh yeah Kita too. I think Kita is so so. And Marvellosity I totes scum this game. + Show Spoiler +Made you think I got confused again didn't I? Hehe ;D
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On September 04 2013 07:11 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 07:08 kitaman27 wrote:On September 04 2013 07:01 Alakaslam wrote:Ok. I am in really bad reception, but I could possibly be useful I hope. See, I am not wholly powerless, due to items- I can become a vet, and I say now that I will seriously try for the rest of the game and ask you guys before I do bullshit. Yeah, I suck at scum hunting but I can differentiate null and town. I can try to do elimination scum reads and whatnot, but for now that is what I can do. So can I give you some townreads and nulls? Clarity and cheesecake, cakepie and Koshi, Oatsmaster maybe, pretty sure Raynepelikoneet is. ShiaoPi has not said much, could be blending in, but green check, so null because could be Gf or reverse framed or whatnot. Risen looks ok, I'd say null. Hiropro is totally null. Geript null to scummy, he has my vote a I'm legitimately buttz about him killing Blazinghand. Coagulation replaced in and should be given time to speak before I give him anything better than null, lookin' forwar to his comments on my buttz level xD If I don't remember you here, you are not standing out in any way and are therefore worthy of my light FoS.I think Yamato is in this game, isn't he? He is always easy to read for other people when scum so I will let you all see to that Oh yeah Kita too. I think Kita is so so. And Marvellosity I totes scum this game. + Show Spoiler +Made you think I got confused again didn't I? Hehe ;D Lol That's the best I got though, if I am to remain genuine.
Try starting with the day post. Yamato was shot last night.
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On September 04 2013 07:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 07:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
lol @ this last minute wagon on hassy. lots of upstanding citizens on that lynch.
Yah my vote should be negative so shove it.
So you're saying you are trying to save Hassy to ensure that you are lynched?
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On September 04 2013 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
You were third party when you died, still third party? As far as I know - I didn't get a new role-PM or anything.
What was the hidden part of your role PM?
On September 04 2013 09:16 Cephiro wrote:
FUCK YES. I can still correct my reads when it counts. Unfortunately it was too late to save anyone, but this makes me proud and more confident in my play.
If there is anyone that doesn't think that Vayne & Oats need to die, speak up now.
Uhh do you know what Hassy flipped or something?
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I'd rather you just flip -_-
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Survivor reviving is terrible for us by the way. I really hope that wasn't a town action.
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On September 04 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Survivor reviving is terrible for us by the way. I really hope that wasn't a town action. Elaborate please. I think this is a prime opportunity for town - I'm a confirmed non-scum, and I soaked up a fucking bullet for this town.
You're essentially one vote closer to LYLO for town unless things start to turn around.
However...
COME ONE, COME ALL TO WITNESS THE AMAZING MIRACLE WORKER!
For a reasonable fee, Kita will offer his funeral services to reanimate the dead!
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Sup guys
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Uhh so austin....where you been?
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Ehh maybe save the conversation for tomorrow if I'm around. Probably better ways to spend time.
I'll try to get a post out before the night post.
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Where do you stand on ceph and WoS?
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