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On August 31 2013 02:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Could you explain why? (I'll pick the I'm bad option)
*le sigh*
On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.
What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.
Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?
On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts.
- apologizes for being a lurker, feels guilty.
- feels the need to tell the thead that he's caught up
- talks about the Null Talisman INSTEAD OF READS.
- Gives no read on Slam.
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On August 31 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are not achieving anything by throwing shit at vayne. Stop it right now. It will only lead into shitfest that definitely does not help us finding scum.
vayne, could you look at my post, did you mean Cephiro and Felkyr? yes, I've made small outlines on why I think they are scum and they look really intent on trying to get rid of me but the kicker is they actually aren't doing much of anything. read through cephiro's filter and tell me what you think, especially the post where he says he's fine with lynching lurkers but would rather lynch "better candidates" first (read active people)
I had a town read on Cephiro earlier for his pressure on geript. Looking at it now the read has weakened, as he is calling geript out for reasons i do not think geript is scum for and he is sticking to them. I do not understand his reasons attacking you (someone not saying "i'm town" does not make then scum). I do not understand his reasons attacking yamato, yet that's a minor point. Him asking Koshi to give the item to him makes me lean town on him again, i don't see scum straight up asking something like that. I can understand his reasons (after the initial "you did not say you are town"-failure) for thinking you are mafia if he has not played with you before. I do not think he said he is "okay with a lurker lynch" as you present it. I think he said pretty much the opposite (that he is not okay with lurker lynch).
Overall i do not think he is scum atm. What makes you strongly think he is scum?
What about Felkyr?
btw i gotta go for couple of hours, i'll get back to you after that.
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On August 31 2013 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Cheesecake enters and the thread stops cold? Yeah pretty much that's what happens because I called out scum and everyone is mindfucked.
I'm just getting my mind through the journey of Vayne probably town.
What you think of VE? I'm notoriously bad at reading him, give me your two cents.
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VA, what happens when town vig kills you at night? Can you still kill 2 peoples?
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On August 31 2013 02:38 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 31 2013 02:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Cheesecake enters and the thread stops cold? Yeah pretty much that's what happens because I called out scum and everyone is mindfucked. I'm just getting my mind through the journey of Vayne probably town. What you think of VE? I'm notoriously bad at reading him, give me your two cents.
I've played with VE as scum and town before. Reading him D1 is meh unless he does something really stupid, and I think I have a clue on how to find he's scum from Nomination (we were scumbuddies). I'd rather not reveal that tell atm.
He is also infamous for claiming at stupid times. Which unfortunately isn't alignment indicative.
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yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation.
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this is a list!
1. raynpelikoneet
2. Oatsmaster
3. MrZentor
4. cephiro
5. strongandbig
6. Danel Ion
7. Hassybaby
8. red man
9. kitaman27
10. Stutters695
11. WaveofShadow
12. cakepie
13. VayneAuthority
14. mkfuba07
15. Alakaslam
16. austinmcc
17. TheRavensName
18. Clarity_nl
19. Risen
20. Koshi
21. yamato77
22. ShiaoPi
23. Felkyr
24. Onegu
25. randombum
26. VisceraEyes
27. ObviousOne
28. HiroPro
29. geript
30. AxleGreaser
31. Mr. Cheesecake
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On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation.
Town vig shooting town? That doesn't sound like a good idea. Especially if you target townies with your power.
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On August 31 2013 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation. Town vig shooting town? That doesn't sound like a good idea. Especially if you target townies with your power.
well you know one of my targets is going to be felkyr and you think he's scum right? What about cephiro and obviousone what are your thoughts?
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On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation.
And if you're mafia we just gave scum TWO KP at their disposal.
What do you think of Risen? Short filter but that's what I'm going for, lynch all the lurky people.
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On August 31 2013 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation. And if you're mafia we just gave scum TWO KP at their disposal. What do you think of Risen? Short filter but that's what I'm going for, lynch all the lurky people.
You can't possibly think scum has a role that if they're shot they get 2 extra kp? I mean, I know greymist is insane but c'mon.
The options are he's lying scum, lying 3p or town. I guess maybe lying town is possible to stay alive but truthful scum is not an option.
As for Felkyr. Yeah that opening post >.< BUT didn't he say this was his first game? Especially in a heavily themed game I can understand being distracted by shiny jewelery.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's the thing about hunting for and lynching specifically the Black Mesa faction from my perspective.
Scum's win-con is more or less known to us. They've got to, by some fashion, outnumber or equal town. That's their purpose, and that's how they win. What's Black Mesa's win-con? Anyone even DARE to guess?
We have no idea. Maybe they're town-flavored! Maybe they're on a secret team with the scumteam! We just don't know.
This
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On August 31 2013 00:36 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne 3P? Not like town self, not like scum self. Dandel town, get off his nuts. He'd be like "lel you got me" as soon as people started eying him if he was scum. Also this bullshit about his role changing based on being a replacement is hilarious and anyone encouraging that conversation needs their head checked.
@WoS - you seem to be wasting your vote; sometimes the best weapon you can have is patience. Care to explain the enormous anger at people not being here for the first 12 hours of the game? You also have experience playing scum with Vayne, do you think he's on his own team? Why specifically vote Shiao-Pi?
P.S. @Alakaslam - damn, dude, I can BARELY understand you. Please try to clean it up a bit and cut it out with the fucking youtube videos, it makes safari mobile lag. THX
The 3P stuff is stupid, but not alignment indicative. Asks OK questions but never really follows up and is inactive.
Cephiro is actually doing things and posting. Rather lynch Obviousone over Ceph if you're concerned about that.
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Blazinghand
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On August 30 2013 23:16 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.
Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt
one of these fits quite well with your personality What about 4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched? There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh. On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please. Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit? Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like. Here's my problem bbygrl. Cora knows about his reputation at the moment. He also knows players in this game know about it. Clearly doing this on purpose for whatever reason. He may be butthurt on top of all this, but he's certainly a good enough player (as bad as you say he is) to not let that show unless he wants to show it. I believe that you know all of the above as well BH, so why antagonize him? I could very well have antagonized Cora as well (and was about to; anyone who played in the LOL Inhouse a couple days ago will probably know what I mean) but I didn't. In calling me a dick he's making a play here. I don't think I'm being a dick (and sorry if I actually am, Slamdance). I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph. {emphadd} So BH, having seen the response, what was Cora's alignment? Given Dandels post... + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 14:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes, hello.
Replacing Corazon I see.
Last time i did that he couldn't handle the ball requirement of playing scum and fucked off because he rolled scum
Now I see the butthurt is overflowing.
While I have not read the role PM yet (DEAL WITH IT), I will probably have the same role as him (it's likely, but one can never be sure)
Thus I feel it is my responsibility to FUCK YOU YOU ARE ALL SONS OF A BITCHES WHY DID YOU STEAL MY CANDY RAWEAWESESKEJLKSJEFLKWEJF
*sob*
everyone is so mean to me!
/curtains
Whoooooooo What do you make of Dandels suggestion his alignment might not be the same as Coras was?
Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards
On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
I didnt see BH as trying to pick a fight kita, it felt to me like he was trying to get Cora to play the game properly.
Clarity, it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play.
I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad"
In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON.
On August 31 2013 02:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hi. Can we lynch this guy? If I have to explain why, you are not town or bad. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.
What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.
Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?
On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts. ##Vote: Felkyr
Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post
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On August 31 2013 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:38 ObviousOne wrote:On August 31 2013 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 31 2013 02:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Cheesecake enters and the thread stops cold? Yeah pretty much that's what happens because I called out scum and everyone is mindfucked. I'm just getting my mind through the journey of Vayne probably town. What you think of VE? I'm notoriously bad at reading him, give me your two cents. I've played with VE as scum and town before. Reading him D1 is meh unless he does something really stupid, and I think I have a clue on how to find he's scum from Nomination (we were scumbuddies). I'd rather not reveal that tell atm. He is also infamous for claiming at stupid times. Which unfortunately isn't alignment indicative.
Usually my gut read is 180 from reality and I'm feeling town on him for not trying to bury VA immediately during the recent discussion. I almost trust my gut here, this time. I'll give you time to see what you see.
Lol @ claim thing gotta love it.
Oats giving me the heebie-jeebies cause I don't have a good handle on him yet. He and I seem to agree on Dandel at the least so that's something.
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On August 31 2013 02:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation. And if you're mafia we just gave scum TWO KP at their disposal. What do you think of Risen? Short filter but that's what I'm going for, lynch all the lurky people. You can't possibly think scum has a role that if they're shot they get 2 extra kp? I mean, I know greymist is insane but c'mon. The options are he's lying scum, lying 3p or town. I guess maybe lying town is possible to stay alive but truthful scum is not an option. As for Felkyr. Yeah that opening post >.< BUT didn't he say this was his first game? Especially in a heavily themed game I can understand being distracted by shiny jewelery.
Well that might just be part of his role. Could be doing it to stay alive. In fact, even if he's mafia he probably worth vigging. I'll take a 2-for-1 trade.
This is Felkyr's first game? Why the balls did he not play in any newbies then and jump straight into the big-boys league? Regardless, that first post did nothing to gain town momentum and speculated on Koshi's item claim which is next to useless at this stage in the game. Don't defend the guy because it's his first game.
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On August 31 2013 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post
No.
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On August 31 2013 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea, so if town wants to shoot me go for it that seems fine. Maybe it's actually an okay claim since I forgot that we can just combine town roles.
I have a feeling some one is going to roleblock me or some shit though so idk
also to your question rayn, just look at cheesecake's recent post which is exactly how I felt. His opening post has inherent guilt and discusses things that are not actually important. illusory participation. And if you're mafia we just gave scum TWO KP at their disposal. What do you think of Risen? Short filter but that's what I'm going for, lynch all the lurky people.
Nothing to go off of. I want to know specifically why he is so confused though since this is a themed game, but it isn't rocket science.
I'm fine with lynching people that refuse to post but I don't want to lynch people that just haven't contributed yet. Let the cycle play out.
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On August 31 2013 02:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:36 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne 3P? Not like town self, not like scum self. Dandel town, get off his nuts. He'd be like "lel you got me" as soon as people started eying him if he was scum. Also this bullshit about his role changing based on being a replacement is hilarious and anyone encouraging that conversation needs their head checked.
@WoS - you seem to be wasting your vote; sometimes the best weapon you can have is patience. Care to explain the enormous anger at people not being here for the first 12 hours of the game? You also have experience playing scum with Vayne, do you think he's on his own team? Why specifically vote Shiao-Pi?
P.S. @Alakaslam - damn, dude, I can BARELY understand you. Please try to clean it up a bit and cut it out with the fucking youtube videos, it makes safari mobile lag. THX The 3P stuff is stupid, but not alignment indicative. Asks OK questions but never really follows up and is inactive. Cephiro is actually doing things and posting. Rather lynch Obviousone over Ceph if you're concerned about that.
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On August 31 2013 02:59 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 02:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 31 2013 00:36 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne 3P? Not like town self, not like scum self. Dandel town, get off his nuts. He'd be like "lel you got me" as soon as people started eying him if he was scum. Also this bullshit about his role changing based on being a replacement is hilarious and anyone encouraging that conversation needs their head checked.
@WoS - you seem to be wasting your vote; sometimes the best weapon you can have is patience. Care to explain the enormous anger at people not being here for the first 12 hours of the game? You also have experience playing scum with Vayne, do you think he's on his own team? Why specifically vote Shiao-Pi?
P.S. @Alakaslam - damn, dude, I can BARELY understand you. Please try to clean it up a bit and cut it out with the fucking youtube videos, it makes safari mobile lag. THX The 3P stuff is stupid, but not alignment indicative. Asks OK questions but never really follows up and is inactive. Cephiro is actually doing things and posting. Rather lynch Obviousone over Ceph if you're concerned about that. :O
Umad? Who is scum and why?
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