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On September 01 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey pokemon dude! Do not fight! There is no reason to if you are town!
You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight.
You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you!
On September 04 2013 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The other Pokemon dude is scum! If anyone ever claims/rolecops/gets any info about a pokemon dude who is not me they are scum!
So you are saying that you are a town pokemon trainer and despite not wanting to pokemon battle there is another pokemon trainer who has been picking fights with you despite your protestations that you should not be fighting if you're both town.
Do I understand you correctly?
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On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote:
2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p.
On September 02 2013 18:33 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh hey who had the broken bell thing, the shattered bell before me? You know how d6 was town. Only way we all get to use it?
On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it.
On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote:
The Shattered Bell was rung
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If austin is calling the shots in sleeper cell it is at least consistent with him wanting alakaslam lynched/killed I guess.
Aside: checked http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19676725 looks correct to me; also the player list has been shuffled around so much I don't even know where to begin with changelist.
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On September 05 2013 14:06 AxleGreaser wrote:
So Stutters has claimed scum? Sleeper Agent
Hang on, I don't know if we should jump to that conclusion so quickly? IIRC Stutters claimed town in black mesa before.
Thing is, just as Koshi's role PM confirms that Black Mesa is not scum faction (like previous Aperture game) but possibly mixed alignment. We can't necessarily conclude from past sleeper cell games that sleeper agent = scum. Also
On September 05 2013 15:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Don't be retarded. There was another game with a 3p sleeper I got added to(can't remember which one, phone posting and almost bed time so you'd have to check, but it works almost or identically to that(can't remember if it changed my win con, this one doesn't).
Thankfully a post in other-thread-that-I-can't-quote helpfully names the game in question: In Personality 2 Mafia Acrofales (Mafia) recruited Ver+austinmcc+stutters695 into a fake, mixed alignment sleeper cell N1 and they shot Foolishness N2.
We could be looking at a similar thing here. This sleeper cell could be scum, or mixed, or even town for all we know.
So I don't think this claim from stutters is not necessarily alignment indicative.
Heck, he's being very open about it, too, in addition to the black mesa stuff we had before.
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For posterity
+ Show Spoiler [D2 player list] +- raynpelikoneet
- Oatsmaster
- MrZentor
- cephiro
- strongandbig
- Danel Ion
- Hassybaby
- Blazinghand
- kitaman27
- WaveofShadow
- cakepie
- VayneAuthority
- mkfuba07/Coag
- Alakaslam
- austinmcc
- debears
- Clarity_nl
- Risen
- Koshi
- yamato77
- ShiaoPi
- Onegu
- Stutters695
- Felkyr
- randombum
- VisceraEyes
- ObviousOne
- HiroPro
- geript
- AxleGreaser
- Mr. Cheesecake
+ Show Spoiler [D3 player list] +- raynpelikoneet
- MrZentor
- Oatsmaster
- Onegu
- Danel Ion
- Hassybaby
- Blazinghand
- strongandbig
- Mr. Cheesecake
- WaveofShadow
- Cephiro
- VayneAuthority
- kitaman27
- Clarity_nl
- Felkyr
- ShiaoPi
- cakepie
- debears
- Alakaslam
- Koshi
- yamato77
- Risen
- ObviousOne
- Stutters695
- Coagulation
- VisceraEyes
- randombum
- HiroPro
- geript
- AxleGreaser
- austinmcc
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On September 05 2013 16:58 AxleGreaser wrote:
So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today...
You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.)
Alakaslam won't be able to vet again because
On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it.
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Been a crazy day at work, brain completely fried, nap didn't help. At least I get the day off tomorrow so I hope to catch up properly ahead of the deadline. For now before I go crash again here's a few things that I noted from bits of reading during breaks earlier in the day and a very brief skim through of the more recent stuff:
- onegu watcher claim feels legit.
- it is not obvious to me from OP how item mechanics will work in event of modkill? Slam used shattered bell, couldn't use & give away at the same time.
- scum not shutting down the flow of info from BM is increasing the likelihood they'd use it to mix in misinformation
- austin just saying "There are reasons." isn't going to cut it. While this sc business is pretty null for me now, if you & crony/ies are going to operate blatantly in the open, you can't seriously expect to get away without scrutiny from the rest of us -- you'd better have really good reasons for your target(s).
- haven't had a chance to look more closely at this OO vs debears thing and think it through, sorry.
- Cheesecake's silence is deafening. Now is the time when he needs to speak up, yet nothing from him since the watcher reveal. He'd better have a believable claim as to what he was up to last night.
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I'm here, gonna be here for a solid couple hours up to the deadline.
Looking at the duel, trying to fathom the motivation behind each action but I might just be WIFOMing myself into utter confusion with that. Gah. Risen not helping with the power play speculations.
So...
I don't like the circumstances under which debears initiated the duel. It kills the variety of things we could be looking at and discussing -- considering that the free flip of alakaslam allowed us to refocus our attention away from slam onto other things. I mean, as town you'd have to be bloody sure you're picking your fight with scum, and yet debears
On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote:
Lynching for "functionality" and not scum
Whatever the heck "functionality" means. This looked out of place to me.
On September 07 2013 02:24 debears wrote:
And I did the nirvana strike because
1) I'm certain that OO is scum
2) I want to get him lynched for towncred in a duel, seeing as the credit would be mine for his lynch
3) I want my arguments to be at the forefront, which they wouldn't necessarily be if everyone had spread out focus. The nirvana strike makes it impossible to spread out focus and puts us at the forefront
(1) is apparently a contradition to earlier "not scum", which also irritates me.
I.e. even without stepping into the realm of some possible scum power play from either or both of them, debears looks scummy for the above.
Now lemme look at/think over the speculative stuff esp in the past couple pages
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On September 07 2013 06:54 AxleGreaser wrote:
Lynch him.... (OO)
and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow.
The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly.
Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then?
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On September 07 2013 07:02 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 06:54 AxleGreaser wrote:
Lynch him.... (OO)
and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow.
The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then?
ebwop by which I mean together with the D4 lynch flip
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Okay, so debears power is real, although we don't know his alignment. this gives us 6 possibilities due to
debears {town, scum} x oo {town true dayvig, scum true dayvig, scum fake dayvig}
(A) if debears scum, OO scum true dayvig, the dayvig play is completely unnecessary. Either one can reap towncred by the other getting lynched. in fact in a premeditated play, OO could use the dayvig in "better" way to gain even morer towncred if debears lynched. Not terribly plausible.
(B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this.
(C) if debears scum, OO town true dayvig, I can see OO trying to think about things but buckling under pressure from Risen to shoot debears (remember Risen was pushing OO but under incorrect understanding of how the dayvig works)
(D) if debears town, OO scum true dayvig... see (A)
(E) if debears town, OO scum fake dayvig... that's would be a really really strange thing for OO to do. Other options might be unlikely; this one is nearly unthinkable.
(F) if both town: we've fucked ourselves over yo
(C) is really the only reason why I'm not all gogogo on voting OO right now.
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On September 07 2013 07:59 cakepie wrote:
(A) if debears scum, OO scum true dayvig, the dayvig play is completely unnecessary. Either one can reap towncred by the other getting lynched. in fact in a premeditated play, OO could use the dayvig in "better" way to gain even morer towncred if debears lynched. Not terribly plausible.
(B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this.
(C) if debears scum, OO town true dayvig, I can see OO trying to think about things but buckling under pressure from Risen to shoot debears (remember Risen was pushing OO but under incorrect understanding of how the dayvig works)
(D) if debears town, OO scum true dayvig... see (A)
(E) if debears town, OO scum fake dayvig... that's would be a really really strange thing for OO to do. Other options might be unlikely; this one is nearly unthinkable.
(F) if both town: we've fucked ourselves over yo
(C) is really the only reason why I'm not all gogogo on voting OO right now.
(E) as indicated above is pretty damn nuts.
I think OO was holding up pretty well talking to others ahead of his shooting so I'm having a hard time seeing why town OO couldn't try harder to clarify things properly instead of buckling and going for the shot so I hope I'm correct by discounting (C)
Leaning (A) or (B) and with scumteam screwed up. Debears still looks scummy regardless so I'm not inclined toward (D), but we'll see about that after we get this one right.
Pls not (F) pls. In which case we were already doomed either way.
Dammit this is hard. Please let this be correct!
Vote OO
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Food for thought: we had a mortician.
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On September 08 2013 03:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 02:38 Coagulation wrote:
did u just call me a fucking pig? I'M GONNA MAKE YOU SQUEAL LIKE A PIGGIE!!
I don't know if or how these codewords are inspired by something or not but MAN IS THAT ONE RATHER APPROPRIATE CODEWORD FOR HIS ACTIVITY/USEFULNESS haha
I am also tickled to be crossfire because =cohost lol
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On September 08 2013 04:34 Cephiro wrote:
Can someone update me on this cell thing and whether it relates to any alignment or not as for some reason I do not recall anything of this.
See this and then P147 in N2, and then P150-P151 should get you caught up with the basics of what happened here while you were in closed casket I think
wrt alignment i believe stutters said something about there being no wincon change when he got recruited.
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On September 08 2013 07:18 debears wrote:You all should lynch into the following red highlighted names. I'm putting my trust in all of you townspeople! Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 08:42 Crossfire99 wrote:
Austinmcc (0): debears
Coagulation (0): AxleGreaser
Felkyr (0): Risen
ObviousOne (7): ShiaoPi, debears, AxleGreaser, Risen, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi, austinmcc, Stutters695, cakepie
debears (6): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, Felkyr, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi
5 scum + a 3p all on a wagon? Can't be that easy can it?
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On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote:
I vig shot Coagulation.
Cool, do you take responsibility for Oats or Vayne as well?
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How can anyone be sure that there are exactly two pokemon characters who are necessarily of opposite alignment and that both are pokemon trainers battling one another throughout the game? As far as I can tell this is simply an assumption by rayn. Whether you trust his red claim or not is one matter. Whether his assumption is true or not is a different issue altogether - and note that there are multiple parts to the assumption which all have to hold true before you can reliably act using it as a basis.
As far as I can remember we've seen arguments like these brought up so far:
a) rayn might be scum making false town claim while setting up to kill the actual townie pokemon character
b) rayn is actually pokemon battling vs the hosts
I don't see enough information to draw firm conclusions yet. (a) may be true or false. (b) could be also be true, or false, or heck, what about two town pokemon trainers, because who knows what Greymist is capable of doing to mess with us. One thing is clear to me is that if rayn is town, there is entirely the possibility that he got so emotionally invested in his pokemon battles and the death of pikachu that he's fallen into this tunnel of his pokemon world foe even before knowing who it might be or considering the full range of possibilities.
rayn, if you're town, take a moment and cool your head. you're setting up to tunnel someone that you haven't even identified yet, with incomplete information.
Austin, you somehow survived the night and now we need some answers. You've outed the number of your members. Presumably, you'd have recruited one more, unless you somehow forgot or got blocked or something. It looked like you were looking for a suitable way to utilize what is basically a consensus vig shot at night, which would have been fine with me, but then it turned out last minute that you were trying some kind of shenannies. What are you up to?
I'd ask "how are you still alive?" too, but it's clear that scum have 2 NK and decided to prioritize vs Onegu's watcher role and ShiaoPi's mason/vig, especially since you don't seem to be keen to actually shoot.
On September 09 2013 05:45 AxleGreaser wrote:
@Cakepie
I had been hoping to catch up with you too.
Sorry to have missed you. Went out for drinks with friends shortly after the flip and hang out till late, spent the earlier part of today rest and recovering. Catch you later, hopefully when you're not completely running on caffeine and little else. (It shows)
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