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On September 10 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:06 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic.
And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum. Cough. Cough cough. No, there's a difference austin. I have specifically said WHY I don't want to tell you certain things. I have also revealed to you guys my role and powers. Hiro has told you guys NOTHING, and is refusing to talk. The only thing he does is get all rustled when someone looks into his filter and accuses him of something. And yet I find myself wanting to lynch both you AND hiro. You've absolutely not been revealing in your roles and powers.
On September 10 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can further prove my survivor claim is completely real but there is a chance I could still survive this so I'd REALLY rather not reveal anything more if I can avoid it. Suffice it to say, I don't have any powers anymore, and never really used them. I was an antivoter and due to specific conditions was only able to use it D1 but obv Geript fucked that up.
On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:17 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully: + Show Spoiler +If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.
If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.
The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off. You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out. Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all? I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline.
If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target.
You're an antivoter, under some circumstances. That's all you've revealed. You say you're a 3P neutral sometimes-antivoter who also knows VE's role and what he does. Very forthcoming.
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On September 10 2013 04:15 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 04:06 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic.
And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum. Cough. Cough cough. No, there's a difference austin. I have specifically said WHY I don't want to tell you certain things. I have also revealed to you guys my role and powers. Hiro has told you guys NOTHING, and is refusing to talk. The only thing he does is get all rustled when someone looks into his filter and accuses him of something. And yet I find myself wanting to lynch both you AND hiro. You've absolutely not been revealing in your roles and powers. Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can further prove my survivor claim is completely real but there is a chance I could still survive this so I'd REALLY rather not reveal anything more if I can avoid it. Suffice it to say, I don't have any powers anymore, and never really used them. I was an antivoter and due to specific conditions was only able to use it D1 but obv Geript fucked that up. Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 02:17 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully: + Show Spoiler +If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.
If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.
The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off. You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out. Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all? I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline.
If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target.
You're an antivoter, under some circumstances. That's all you've revealed. You say you're a 3P neutral sometimes-antivoter who also knows VE's role and what he does. Very forthcoming.
We ain't lynching us no WoS. Stop wanting to lynch people that are stupid to lynch and lynch scum instead.
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More forthcoming than anything Hiro or Axle has done.
I have ZERO powers right now. Any further information I give you won't help you find a lynch target.
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I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.
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Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched.
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On September 10 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:
Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched.
Who are you talking to?
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On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.
Why are you so content to believe that he is town when has essentially done the exact same thing as I originally did by refusing to claim, and now fucking off?
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On September 10 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:
Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched. Who are you talking to?
You. You said you were leaving in about an hour from now, right?
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Why should anyone need to claim anything? Why give out info that isn't verifiable by town but scum can easily be swayed by?
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On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.
He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up.
I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in?
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On September 10 2013 04:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah. I remember Hiro's argument being "we get nothing because there will be no-flip and we can't tell anything about voting patterns etc etc..".
That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc.
It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town. I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip.
Yeah you are right, it was someone else who said something along the lines. I can't fucking find it. Probably Mr.CC as i did talk with you guys near the lynch.
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On September 10 2013 04:20 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:
Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched. Who are you talking to? You. You said you were leaving in about an hour from now, right?
Yes, and right now Axle is leading in votes.
To say he's not actually going to be lynched is naive.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he delays claiming until he can force a last minute voteswitch in his favour.
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On September 10 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:03 HiroPro wrote:On September 10 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah. I remember Hiro's argument being "we get nothing because there will be no-flip and we can't tell anything about voting patterns etc etc..".
That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc.
It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town. I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip. Yeah you are right, it was someone else who said something along the lines. I can't fucking find it. Probably Mr.CC as i did talk with you guys near the lynch.
I did create the no-lynch talk, but I was fairly content with lynching Randombum. I did think no flip was mafia favored and paranoid about it.
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On September 10 2013 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:20 Risen wrote:On September 10 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:
Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched. Who are you talking to? You. You said you were leaving in about an hour from now, right? Yes, and right now Axle is leading in votes. To say he's not actually going to be lynched is naive. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he delays claiming until he can force a last minute voteswitch in his favour.
Your vote may be serious, no one else would lynch him over Random or Hiro, though. It's called a pressure vote. It's something used by idiots who actually think it does something.
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So why would Axle just stop posting and fuck off when asked to claim?
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On September 10 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared. Why are you so content to believe that he is town when has essentially done the exact same thing as I originally did by refusing to claim, and now fucking off? Ah've liked me some of them thur posts he's made since right before lynch D3.
Also, because of a HUGE difference. He didn't claim and fucked off. You partially claimed, tried to hold that up as some enormous act of caring, while claiming neutral survivor 3P.
YOUR claim is that nobody wants to kill you, and you want nobody to kill you. That 100000% does not fit with not revealing stuff, the fact you're hiding things while claiming that all you want to do is not get killed and you don't want to kill anyone means that you are lying.
As of right now, he is refusing to claim, but I don't know of any straight up lies he's telling.
AND I FRIGGING WOULD RATHER LYNCH SCUM THAN 3P THAT MIGHT BE ANTI-TOWN OR SOMETHING BUT BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON LYING I KEEP GETTING FOCUSED ON YOU BECAUSE HOLY CRAP WHY ARE YOU HIDING THINGS WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
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Can we just forget about the vigi thing and lynch randombum? The dude has done nothing all game.
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On September 10 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why would Axle just stop posting and fuck off when asked to claim?
On September 10 2013 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:20 Risen wrote:On September 10 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 04:18 Risen wrote:
Seriously, if you're having to leave put your vote on someone who is actually going to be lynched. Who are you talking to? You. You said you were leaving in about an hour from now, right? Yes, and right now Axle is leading in votes. To say he's not actually going to be lynched is naive. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he delays claiming until he can force a last minute voteswitch in his favour.
If he can formulate a believable claim close to deadline as scum, the town will be frantic in trying to find a 'better' target. This is often when mislynches happen.
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On September 10 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we just forget about the vigi thing and lynch randombum? The dude has done nothing all game.
I'm fine with lynching either Axle or Randombum given the circumstance.
Choo-fucking-choo baby.
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On September 10 2013 04:25 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared. Why are you so content to believe that he is town when has essentially done the exact same thing as I originally did by refusing to claim, and now fucking off? Ah've liked me some of them thur posts he's made since right before lynch D3. Also, because of a HUGE difference. He didn't claim and fucked off. You partially claimed, tried to hold that up as some enormous act of caring, while claiming neutral survivor 3P. YOUR claim is that nobody wants to kill you, and you want nobody to kill you. That 100000% does not fit with not revealing stuff, the fact you're hiding things while claiming that all you want to do is not get killed and you don't want to kill anyone means that you are lying. As of right now, he is refusing to claim, but I don't know of any straight up lies he's telling. AND I FRIGGING WOULD RATHER LYNCH SCUM THAN 3P THAT MIGHT BE ANTI-TOWN OR SOMETHING BUT BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON LYING I KEEP GETTING FOCUSED ON YOU BECAUSE HOLY CRAP WHY ARE YOU HIDING THINGS WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?
I'm not lying. Haven't lied yet.
I told you, anything I reveal at this point would probably make VE angry with me. If I'm fucked I don't want to fuck him over too. It would be kind of a dick move. If he comes back and says it's ok then by all means I'll reveal everything, but I don't know where the fuck he is. As it stands he might even get modkilled.
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