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On September 09 2013 05:01 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was afraid that voting for Geript would cause something bad to happen, since he was essentially asking for it, and looked scummy as all hell. If you want to see another example of my paranoia regarding heavily themed games, look at my refusal to ##Lovetap in the most recent PTP game. I don't know what could have happened exactly that would cause an antitown outcome, it's a Greymist game.
I was most confident of Shiao being scum at the time, and then he masoned me. At first I figured it was just a ploy to gain confidence as we were both voting each other, then I grew to trust him, even though I figured out that he recruited me to his mason chat because he may have wanted to shoot me at a later time. We had a little bit of discussion before he was shot but not that much more; I've already mentioned that. Yes I can understand not wanting to do the love tap thing i was saying noooooo when i read the game. You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. How did you grow to trust him? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust just seemed to evaporate?
My thought processes on Geript as I remember them:
At first I believed him when he claimed because it was fairly detailed and it REALLY didn't seem like something scum would do---and he was talking like extremely confident town:
On September 01 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
First off people, if I were scum you need to answer a few basic questions:
1. Why would I explain shit about my role?
2. Why would I continue to troll people to get a reaction?
3. Can you honestly think that I'd be this brazen from the start just to force me to use my ability instead of vote rigging D2 or D3 as scum?
You people are being intentionally dense. I intentionally played to my scum meta because I wanted to see who would choose to focus where.
Then he just did dick all forever even after saying he was playing like his scum meta and much like BH's play this game that I had a problem with, not being helpful leads me to believe scum.
Then another change ----It was right before the lynch on him went down I think. He actually FINALLY started behaving like a town Geript would, but by then it was honestly too late to let him live as just like Slam, he probably would have been a HUGE question mark all game even if he managed to make himself look really towny in his posting.
I can try to find the specific post that did it for me---I remember specifically thinking "Oh shit, Geript IS town. Why the FUCK would he play this way?!"
On September 04 2013 03:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I didn't understand the doublevote. I don't have to be sure of anyone else yet, which is good.
Just get rid of Geript and be done with it. I know the guy's townplay and this 100% is not it. For when I flip: Oats for reasons I pointed out before. Everything still applies. Rayn for defending Oats on completely bs reasons and filter length Risen for being too obtuse to be town Slam for not being fun to play with (anyone who's seen him play can spot easy differences). Obv not town. WoS for this post. This is not town WoS. I've had weird feelings about him all game and this post solidifies my position that he's scum. Can't explain why I feel this way, but these reads on people (eg Mocsta in goldrush) have always been right. There was one more I forgot. But pressure Randombum and Clarity. Gassy is obv town and you guys will retardly sheep onto him no doubt. No reason for him not to double check if his action went through first before responding as scum. I think giro is town but can't place why (not 100%) though. Kits is town too IMO and will die tonight.
There it is. A little too detailed to be scummy WIFOM-before-dying post. EVery post after that showed actual effort. Which was a stark contrast to his earlier play.
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On September 09 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah WoS is scum.
lololol
Clearly scum play to come in swinging after afking my way through half of this game, even though there is STILL no one paying attention to me today aside from Axle. ESPECIALLY with a scumread on you, KNOWING that if you're town there is the potential for you to enter 'Rayn-tunnel-mode' and get me lynched.
Yup. Best scumplay NA.
At least Axle is trying to get a read on me. What have you got? Bring it.
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On September 09 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all me being alive is not a reason for me being scum. The rest of the post makes no sense and i useless speculation. There is not a single reason why i am scum.
If we kill the mafia pokemon dude, i become pretty much confirmed town. There is not a single reason why should i have claimed as scum. There is not a single reason why the other guy would be town. The suggestion that "rayn is playing with the hosts" is absurd and dumb. Mafia can't NK me, because doing that does not kill me until all my pokemons are dead. They need to lynch me. That's why they try to lynch me.
I am not here "doing nothing". Just because i don't make big posts with townreads and shit does not mean i am scum.
Who is asking for townreads?
Rayn you are playing nowhere NEAR like your usual play. You are way more focused on pokemons than finding scum (unless you count finding the 'enemy pokemans trainer' which at this point could just be a front for the very little scumhunting you've done all game.
It's a perfectly feasible lie that you have a counterpart and this way you can train your 'scumhunting' efforts on a role that doesn't even fucking exist all game.
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On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
Sorry i seemed to have been unclear.
You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game.
As I understand it you didnt want to vote for geript as that might do something to you, but what I dont see is concern for what it might do to all the townies who were voting for geript.
(Indeed my plan which you didnt have problem with meant nearly all the townies would have voted for geript...)
How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate?
Why didn't I tell other townies not to vote for him you mean? Because I honestly wanted to see what would happen. I figured at the point where EVERYBODY voted for him he wouldn't gain something like invincibility against everyone who voted him or some shit, I figured it would be something more like 'KP fired at random into the people who voted for you' and I didn't want to be a potential target.
I guess not only did I think no one would listen to me anyway, I admit I WAS kinda curious, and in voting Shiao I was sticking with my convictions at the time and felt good about that.
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On September 09 2013 05:21 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate?
The masoning made me trust him.
Sorry for some reason I thought you were referring to Geript.
Axle what do you think of Rayn?
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Well, that and the townread. I still figured he was lying when he told me he could use his KP on ANYONE after getting 4 targets, but I wasn't concerned at the time since he told me he thought I was town after a while and he still had 3 more nights to go.
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On September 09 2013 05:27 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 09 2013 05:21 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 09 2013 05:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? The masoning made me trust him. Sorry for some reason I thought you were referring to Geript. Axle what do you think of Rayn? nah the geript bit was my bad . As masoning can be scum or town role. I presume you mean the things he said or asked in the mason chat. You can't quote but what in the mason chat led you to get a town read on him having had him as your strongest scum read.
Constant stream of questions, genuinely being concerned when I didn't answer after a while, providing clear and honest answers/reads when I asked for them in return. He volunteered his role info (minus the KP only being usable on mason members for obvious reasons) to me despite me not having provided any reads or information to him yet.
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He actually didn't provide many reads of his own for a few days.
He thought Geript was scum, though kita was town/hassy scum....maybe a townread on Hiro since he stopped trolling?
He seemed genuinely confused by all the debears/OO shit..
haha reading through this QT again it seems I actually provided most of the reads and details. No wonder he (said he) trusted me.
Oh and again I forget if I mentioned this but you were his second proposed mason target, Axle. His reasoning he gave when he recruited me was 'because he had trouble reading me,' so I suspect his reasoning may have been similar, possibly to keep you close so he could shoot you if necessary (if he though you might be scum). He was apparently RBed so that never happened.
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On September 09 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So reading up I see Stutters knows the other Pokemon role.
WHO? Keeping this information from the thread is super anti-town. I know. And suddenly all the scummy guys jump on lynching me. :D Funny isn't it?
Who has voted for you besides me, Rayn.
I do agree that we need Stutters do just reveal his shit already.
I'm sick to death of all this pokemon shit and want to know one way or the other.
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Alright I'll change my vote considering Rayn being scum kind of hinges on this to some degree.
Also I'll ask again, what are we doing about VE?
Free pass 'till endgame? Or what?
##Unvote
##Vote: Stutters
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On September 09 2013 10:58 cakepie wrote:![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/8slkdj94x/stahp.gif) Stop this silliness. I am professor oak, Pokemon character, but not a pokemon trainer.Do ya'll finally see my point now? Stop voting stutters, it's fucking stupid. Go find your scum pokemon trainer elsewhere. I have limited scope abilities that I sought to use in protective fashion on cheesecake and stutters (+ one other). Stutters read my filter and connected the dots, which is how he knows my identity. Other targets did not, which is disappointing considering you only need to fucking google the flavor text. I thought my other target might be scummy for not having seen my point, but cheesecake didn't either, so *shrug*
I don't know that I believe you, honestly. What did he read in your filter that led him to connect the dots?
Are you in BM chat?
And for that matter, who were/are the other members in there? Have any of them disappeared since we've had multiple deaths aside from Onegu?
I still want more from Stutters.
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Now my focus is 'I'm sick of all this pokemon shit and want it over with.'
Can you answer my first question please?
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lol I like how evidence of me being scum is how I don't like talking to you, Axle.
Even though I did and answered basically everything you wanted---you're so easily predictable, you do this every game to me. No matter what I give you, you still call me scum.
Anyway go ahead, but I'm not scum, this I promise you.
I assume we're not going to hear back from Stutters before the day is out---he has popped in and out with info from BM QT and done nothing else---as far as people who are 'not promoting a town agenda' I could name quite a few others this game.
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wow ninjad.
Alright fucking finally, something to go on.
##Unvote
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Oh Axle you bring up a good point. Whenever you tunnel me, you happen to be scum!
Are you scum, Axle?
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Once again, I say this:
if I was scum, why in all that is holy would I bother returning to this thread and draw attention to myself when I could have coasted through the rest of this game? (like VE)
Whether or not you think I've been doing a good job since I've come back or have proper motivations or 'agendas' that point alone should remain clear.
It would be fucking STUPID.
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Axle answered it himself.
In both games we played together, he was scum and picked me as his target to tunnel into infinity (I was town in both those games).
I honestly didn't remember that he was scum in both of those, only that it was REALLY fucking aggravating trying to shake him off because no matter what I did he wouldn't let go---I assumed he was going to do the same thing here, and lo and behold it seems I may not be wrong. I don't mind generally talking with anyone but essentially when I go through all the work of trying to respond and give people the answers they seek and it clearly does nothing to change their personal bias (or in the past two cases and MAYBE this one, scum agenda) I get annoyed.
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Look I don't want to shit up the thread arguing with Axle and trying to prove myself all day, I've already said that. I gave defenses he asked for last night, and they weren't good enough for him, as expected. Fine, I'll live with that. Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me. Whatever.
In the meantime I'd actually like to try and get a grasp of what's going on this game. The 'Yi fishing' and obsession towards BM chat is because I don't like the idea of all this hidden shit going down where we have no idea of hte alignment of a whole bunch of power roles acting behind the scenes. As it stands we have how many 'survivor' 3P roles? They can't ALL be survivor can they? It's just bothered me. (Certainly piqued my interest as it was a LoL reference as well which is my game.)
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I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.
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On September 09 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also "Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me." This. So do you still think i am scum or not?
I don't know anymore atm but I'm pretty sure it will be pretty easy to find out. You just carry on doing what you're doing---this activity has certainly been better this half of the game than the first.
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